Musings from my Officials Staff Mtg

[Stat-Man]

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref

Attending our officials staff mtg last night. It was both interesting and coincidental. Interesting to hear the conveners talk about: 1) new FT rule;
2) they went over a few of your more commonly mis-understood rules (your usual suspects e.g., high dribble vs palming, block/charge/blarge, and issues of verticality),
3) also discussing that we should really manage the issue of "lane over-reaching"--when players in lane spaces during FT's will arm tangle prior to boxing out.

The local middle schools play girls basketball as a fall sport here. during my games, my partners (and in turn myself) talked to the players about this. Last year, I even called a double-foul when two girls got overzealous with their jostling.

4) did you'all know that if the FT shooter gets boxed out and physically touched by a lane space occupier while the ball is in flight, then it is a common foul on said defender? News to me.

If I'm reading this correctly, any contact on the shooter while the ball is still in flight is to be called a foul in your part of Rome?

I can't find the recent thread discussing what might be this very issue. It used to be the case that this was the rule the last time players in the lane space could enter on the release. But with the new rule change allowing this again, there has been no corresponding addition of language that would make what was described in #4 a foul unless it was more than incidental contact.

Our first association meeting is Monday. I hope we have some good discussion on some of these topics as well.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Stat-Man

If I'm reading this correctly, any contact on the shooter while the ball is still in flight is to be called a foul in your part of Rome?

I can't find the recent thread discussing what might be this very issue. It used to be the case that this was the rule the last time players in the lane space could enter on the release.

No, it wasn't the case before. Before, it was a lane violation on the defender.

[Stat-Man]

Originally Posted by Adam

No, it wasn't the case before. Before, it was a lane violation on the defender.

Thanks, Adam. I stand corrected.

[Zoochy]

Originally Posted by Adam

No, it wasn't the case before. Before, it was a lane violation on the defender.

What year did the rule change to enter the lane when the ball hits the rim/backboard? I thought it was a foul if there was contact with the Free Throw shooter before the ball hit the rim.
I brought up this discussion back in June when the rule changes were announced.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

What year did the rule change to enter the lane when the ball hits the rim/backboard? I thought it was a foul if there was contact with the Free Throw shooter before the ball hit the rim.
I brought up this discussion back in June when the rule changes were announced.

It used to be a rule that it was a violation to break the plane of the FT line before the ball hit. That did not make it back to the rule book this year.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rich

It used to be a rule that it was a violation to break the plane of the FT line before the ball hit. That did not make it back to the rule book this year.

"Clarification" ???

I'm still having trouble tracking this down, but the last that I heard, from my local interpreter, was that IAABO contacted the NFHS regarding the absence of this in the current rulebook, and received a response from the NFHS that this rule should still be utilized.

I'm 100% sure that we are utilizing this rule here in my little corner of Connecticut, and I'm almost positive that we are using this rule throughout the entire Constitution State. I'm not sure what Peter Webb is doing with IAABO "International".

As I stated earlier, I'm having trouble tracking this down. It's like I need to know a secret handshake to get any factual information.

[PG_Ref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

"Clarification" ???

I'm still having trouble tracking this down, but the last that I heard, from my local interpreter, was that IAABO contacted the NFHS regarding the absence of this in the current rulebook, and received a response from the NFHS that this rule should still be utilized.

I'm 100% sure that we are utilizing this rule here in my little corner of Connecticut, and I'm almost positive that we are using this rule throughout the entire Constitution State. I'm not sure what Peter Webb is doing with IAABO "International".

As I stated earlier, I'm having trouble tracking this down. It's like I need to know a secret handshake to get any factual information.

IAABO published the following caseplay at the beginning of the Fall and included it in the last Sportorial ...

Free thrower A1 releases the try. B3, occupying a free throw lane line space moves into the free throw lane to “box-out” A1, then breaks the vertical plane of the outside edge of the free throw line with a foot or feet prior to the ball contacting the backboard or the ring. Ruling: Violation by B3. (9.1.3g)

[PG_Ref]

Originally Posted by Rich

It used to be a rule that it was a violation to break the plane of the FT line before the ball hit. That did not make it back to the rule book this year.

Actually it did. It wasn't in the rule book when it was first published, but when all of the corrections were published, they included the wording without highlighting it ...

Page 70, 9.1 Comment - Sentence two (2) should read: Once a free throw begins no player may enter or leave a marked free throw lane line space or break, with either foot, the vertical plane of the free throw lane line or marked lane space boundary prior to the release of the ball by the free thrower.

A subtle change in wording that makes a difference.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by PG_Ref

Actually it did. It wasn't in the rule book when it was first published, but when all of the corrections were published, they included the wording without highlighting it ...

Page 70, 9.1 Comment - Sentence two (2) should read: Once a free throw begins no player may enter or leave a marked free throw lane line space or break, with either foot, the vertical plane of the free throw lane line or marked lane space boundary prior to the release of the ball by the free thrower.
A subtle change in wording that makes a difference.

You highlighted the wrong part.

In the play being discussed, B4 (or whoever) doesn't cross the FT line to "box out" the FT shooter until after the ball has been released.

[PG_Ref]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

You highlighted the wrong part.

In the play being discussed, B4 (or whoever) doesn't cross the FT line to "box out" the FT shooter until after the ball has been released.

Yeah, I know it's after the ball was released. But, what they are saying is that if B4 crosses the free-throw line before it hits backboard or ring, it should be ruled a violation.

[BigCat]

[QUOTE=PG_Ref;944260]Actually it did. It wasn't in the rule book when it was first published, but when all of the corrections were published, they included the wording without highlighting it ...

Page 70, 9.1 Comment - Sentence two (2) should read: Once a free throw begins no player may enter or leave a marked free throw lane line space or break, with either foot, the vertical plane of the free throw lane line or marked lane space boundary prior to the release of the ball by the free thrower.

A subtle change in wording that makes a difference.[/QUOTE
This comment just says you can't break the plane of the free throw line until the ball is released. Doesn't say you have to wait til ball hits rim to cross plane of FT line. in old days, when you could enter the lane on release, you had to wait til ball hit rim to actually then cross free throw line. The IAABO play you have below says it but I haven't seen anything from NFHS, either in rules or comments, to support that play....it cites 9.1.3g but that rule doesn't say that..thx

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by PG_Ref

Page 70, 9.1 Comment - Sentence two (2) should read: Once a free throw begins no player may enter or leave a marked free throw lane line space or break, with either foot, the vertical plane of the free throw lane line or marked lane space boundary prior to the release of the ball by the free thrower.

The free throw lane line is not the same as the free throw line. This caseplay correction is irrelevant to the question about a defender along the lane crossing the free throw line to box out the shooter before the ball hits the rim, or backboard.