Musings from my Officials Staff Mtg

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

What year did the rule change to enter the lane when the ball hits the rim/backboard? I thought it was a foul if there was contact with the Free Throw shooter before the ball hit the rim.
I brought up this discussion back in June when the rule changes were announced.

It used to be a rule that it was a violation to break the plane of the FT line before the ball hit. That did not make it back to the rule book this year.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rich

It used to be a rule that it was a violation to break the plane of the FT line before the ball hit. That did not make it back to the rule book this year.

"Clarification" ???

I'm still having trouble tracking this down, but the last that I heard, from my local interpreter, was that IAABO contacted the NFHS regarding the absence of this in the current rulebook, and received a response from the NFHS that this rule should still be utilized.

I'm 100% sure that we are utilizing this rule here in my little corner of Connecticut, and I'm almost positive that we are using this rule throughout the entire Constitution State. I'm not sure what Peter Webb is doing with IAABO "International".

As I stated earlier, I'm having trouble tracking this down. It's like I need to know a secret handshake to get any factual information.

[PG_Ref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

"Clarification" ???

I'm still having trouble tracking this down, but the last that I heard, from my local interpreter, was that IAABO contacted the NFHS regarding the absence of this in the current rulebook, and received a response from the NFHS that this rule should still be utilized.

I'm 100% sure that we are utilizing this rule here in my little corner of Connecticut, and I'm almost positive that we are using this rule throughout the entire Constitution State. I'm not sure what Peter Webb is doing with IAABO "International".

As I stated earlier, I'm having trouble tracking this down. It's like I need to know a secret handshake to get any factual information.

IAABO published the following caseplay at the beginning of the Fall and included it in the last Sportorial ...

Free thrower A1 releases the try. B3, occupying a free throw lane line space moves into the free throw lane to “box-out” A1, then breaks the vertical plane of the outside edge of the free throw line with a foot or feet prior to the ball contacting the backboard or the ring. Ruling: Violation by B3. (9.1.3g)

[PG_Ref]

Originally Posted by Rich

It used to be a rule that it was a violation to break the plane of the FT line before the ball hit. That did not make it back to the rule book this year.

Actually it did. It wasn't in the rule book when it was first published, but when all of the corrections were published, they included the wording without highlighting it ...

Page 70, 9.1 Comment - Sentence two (2) should read: Once a free throw begins no player may enter or leave a marked free throw lane line space or break, with either foot, the vertical plane of the free throw lane line or marked lane space boundary prior to the release of the ball by the free thrower.

A subtle change in wording that makes a difference.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by PG_Ref

Actually it did. It wasn't in the rule book when it was first published, but when all of the corrections were published, they included the wording without highlighting it ...

Page 70, 9.1 Comment - Sentence two (2) should read: Once a free throw begins no player may enter or leave a marked free throw lane line space or break, with either foot, the vertical plane of the free throw lane line or marked lane space boundary prior to the release of the ball by the free thrower.
A subtle change in wording that makes a difference.

You highlighted the wrong part.

In the play being discussed, B4 (or whoever) doesn't cross the FT line to "box out" the FT shooter until after the ball has been released.

[PG_Ref]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

You highlighted the wrong part.

In the play being discussed, B4 (or whoever) doesn't cross the FT line to "box out" the FT shooter until after the ball has been released.

Yeah, I know it's after the ball was released. But, what they are saying is that if B4 crosses the free-throw line before it hits backboard or ring, it should be ruled a violation.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by PG_Ref

Yeah, I know it's after the ball was released. But, what they are saying is that if B4 crosses the free-throw line before it hits backboard or ring, it should be ruled a violation.

I'm not sure who you mean by "they." If it's IAABO, I accept that they are saying this. But, they aren't getting it from the reading of the rule. In our (non-IAABO) state, it is NOT a violation.

If you mean "NFHS", then I disagree that they are saying this should be a violation. They might have meant to say that, and it wouldn't be the first time that what they said is not what they meant (or vice versa).

[PG_Ref]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I'm not sure who you mean by "they." If it's IAABO, I accept that they are saying this. But, they aren't getting it from the reading of the rule. In our (non-IAABO) state, it is NOT a violation.

If you mean "NFHS", then I disagree that they are saying this should be a violation. They might have meant to say that, and it wouldn't be the first time that what they said is not what they meant (or vice versa).

Yes, "they" being IAABO ... since Peter Webb is now a part of the NFHS rules committee.

[Zoochy]

This was my question/Statement to IAABO.
I do not understand the Ruling reference to the 3rd paragraph under 'Rules Reminders & Interpretations'. Rule 9-1-3g does not justify the violation to B3. Many years ago when the players in a markes lane space could enter the lane on the release of the Free Thrower, there was a restriction stating they could not break the Free Throw line, nor make contact with the Free Throw shooter before the ball contacted the rim. That rule went away when ALL players were restricted to move until the ball contacted the rim
As you are aware, the free thrower is restricted to the free throw semi-circle until the ball contacts the backboard or basket ring.

This is the response from Pete Webb
The free throw semi-circle is "off limits" to all other players until the ball contacts the backboard or basket ring.

The players located in marked free throw lane line spaces along the free throw
lane line may enter the free throw lane, upon the free thrower's release of the
free throw. Those players may not, with their foot, break the outside edge of the free throw line until the ball contacts the backboard or basket ring.

Chances are that the rule will be edited (re-written) for 2015-16

I wanted to reply saying if there is nothing saying it is wrong, then it must be OK.

[BigCat]

[QUOTE=PG_Ref;944260]Actually it did. It wasn't in the rule book when it was first published, but when all of the corrections were published, they included the wording without highlighting it ...

Page 70, 9.1 Comment - Sentence two (2) should read: Once a free throw begins no player may enter or leave a marked free throw lane line space or break, with either foot, the vertical plane of the free throw lane line or marked lane space boundary prior to the release of the ball by the free thrower.

A subtle change in wording that makes a difference.[/QUOTE
This comment just says you can't break the plane of the free throw line until the ball is released. Doesn't say you have to wait til ball hits rim to cross plane of FT line. in old days, when you could enter the lane on release, you had to wait til ball hit rim to actually then cross free throw line. The IAABO play you have below says it but I haven't seen anything from NFHS, either in rules or comments, to support that play....it cites 9.1.3g but that rule doesn't say that..thx

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by PG_Ref

Page 70, 9.1 Comment - Sentence two (2) should read: Once a free throw begins no player may enter or leave a marked free throw lane line space or break, with either foot, the vertical plane of the free throw lane line or marked lane space boundary prior to the release of the ball by the free thrower.

The free throw lane line is not the same as the free throw line. This caseplay correction is irrelevant to the question about a defender along the lane crossing the free throw line to box out the shooter before the ball hits the rim, or backboard.