Back court violation question

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by harsha_nails

No it was loose ball, and the player from team A just poked it back to back court where his teammate picked it up

"LOOSE BALL" only has a rules based definition when millionaires are on the court. Were you playing under NBA rules?

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by justacoach

"LOOSE BALL" only has a rules based definition when millionaires are on the court.

Or, people who want to officiate millionaires!

[harsha_nails]

Originally Posted by justacoach

"LOOSE BALL" only has a rules based definition when millionaires are on the court. Were you playing under NBA rules?

What if we were? Does the NBA rule on back court violation differ from FIBA?

[APG]

Originally Posted by harsha_nails

What if we were? Does the NBA rule on back court violation differ from FIBA?

Under NBA rules, team control ends on a defensive deflection. As such, your play would not be a backcourt violation under NBA rules.

[mutantducky]

just to clarify something similar

So if Team A after a made shot throws the ball to their front court. ball is deflected with no team control into Team A's backcourt- ball touches a Team A player in frontcourt but no control. Team A is the first to touch in the backcourt.

No violation here? Am I reading the previous posts correctly? There is no backcourt violation until team control has been established inbounds?
But in this situation is the 10 second rule in effect? So somehow no team control inbounds, ball goes back and forth between front and backcourt and 10 seconds pass. Does team control have to be established in the frontcourt for the 10 second count to stop? So team A could have both feet in the front court, touches the ball, but no control and it goes to the backcourt. Would I continue my 10 second count?

Ok let me add on to this. I'm still a bit confused about something(s). Team A throws the ball into their front-court. A2 touches and then A3 touches in the backcourt. No control in FC but this is a violation because of the location of A2 in the FC.

But there is no team control after a shot. So A1 shoots, misses and A2 taps the ball into the backcourt. A3 gets the ball. No violation here because no team control.

yeah I need to go to sleep, making this too confusing.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

just to clarify something similar

So if Team A after a made shot throws the ball to their front court. ball is deflected with no team control into Team A's backcourt- ball touches a Team A player in frontcourt but no control. Team A is the first to touch in the backcourt.

No violation here? Am I reading the previous posts correctly? There is no backcourt violation until team control has been established inbounds?

You got it.

Originally Posted by mutantducky

But in this situation is the 10 second rule in effect? So somehow no team control inbounds, ball goes back and forth between front and backcourt and 10 seconds pass. Does team control have to be established in the frontcourt for the 10 second count to stop? So team A could have both feet in the front court, touches the ball, but no control and it goes to the backcourt. Would I continue my 10 second count?

The 10 second count (for NFHS games) doesn't even start until there is team control....so no count at any point in the situation above.

Originally Posted by mutantducky

Ok let me add on to this. I'm still a bit confused about something(s). Team A throws the ball into their front-court. A2 touches and then A3 touches in the backcourt. No control in FC but this is a violation because of the location of A2 in the FC.

If you are saying this a is a throwin, then there is no violation.

However, if you're saying that A has the ball in their backcourt, in team control, then throws the ball into their frontcourt where A2 touches it such that it goes back to the backcourt where A3 touches it, that is a violation. Ball inbounds, team control, frontcourt ball status, A2 last to touch before going to backcourt, A3 first to touch after going into the backcourt.

Remember that once TEAM control starts, it continues until one of a few instances and the backcourt rule is about team control inbounds. It doesn't depend on player control existing at any of the locations.

Originally Posted by mutantducky

But there is no team control after a shot. So A1 shoots, misses and A2 taps the ball into the backcourt. A3 gets the ball. No violation here because no team control.

yeah I need to go to sleep, making this too confusing.

Correct.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The 10 second count (for NFHS games) doesn't even start until their is team control....

Good point Camron Rust. The ten second count starts with player control (inbounds), not necessarily with a player "touch" (although they often happen at the same time).

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The 10 second count (for NFHS games) doesn't even start until their is team control....so no count at any point in the situation above.

And even in games where the 10-second count starts on the touch, it stops when the ball reaches the FC. So in mutant's "ping pong" game play, the 10-second count would start-and-stop-and-start-and-stop

[mutantducky]

All right, thanks

For 10 second count, team-control inbounds is required.
On a throwin, team control is required before a backcourt violation can be called.
If control is established inbounds by Team A and Team A loses control of the ball, and the ball moves from the BC to the FC then back to the BC(no control) it is a violation if a Team A player touches it in the FC and then in the BC.

Is this one true- It would not be be a violation if Team A inbounds, control established, A1 makes a pass that deflects off B1 in the (A's) frontcourt, so two feet and ball in frontcourt but it bounces back into the backcourt. Team A can still get the ball without it being a violation. Is the 10 second count continuing in this scenario? Sorry- just cancel that. So Bob J. in this one the 10 second count would stop once it reaches FC, but then would continue again when it goes to the BC?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

... there is no team control after a shot. So A1 shoots, misses and A2 taps the ball into the backcourt. A3 gets the ball. No violation here because no team control.

During a throwin, even under a team’s own basket, if the throwin is deflected, tipped, or batted by an offensive player in the frontcourt to an offensive player in the backcourt; or after a missed field goal attempt, or a missed foul shot attempt, if the ball is deflected, tipped, or batted by an offensive player in the frontcourt to an offensive player in the backcourt; these are not a backcourt violations.