Clippers vs Thunder Game 5 Clips (Video)

[JRutledge]

Play #1: Foul. Not vertical defender makes contact to make a block.

Play #2: Not a foul, contact with the hand while on the ball. Maybe NBA rules are differnet, but this is not a foul at the NF and NCAA level.

Play #3: Paul was not vertical and taps elbow. And it is clear this was a foul by how badly the result of the shot. Westbrook basically air balled the shot.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Play #1: Foul. Not vertical defender makes contact to make a block.

Play #2: Not a foul, contact with the hand while on the ball. Maybe NBA rules are different, but this is not a foul at the NF and NCAA level.

Play #3: Paul was not vertical and taps elbow. And it is clear this was a foul by how badly the result of the shot. Westbrook basically air balled the shot.

Peace

Agree on #1 and #3.

#2, it looks like a foul to me, but it was close. I don't think he contacted the part of the hand that was touching the ball. Looked like he got a lot more of the wrist than the hand that was on the ball.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Agree on #1 and #3.

#2, it looks like a foul to me, but it was close. I don't think he contacted the part of the hand that was touching the ball. Looked like he got a lot more of the wrist than the hand that was on the ball.

I think he got some of the wrist too, but I believe he contacted the hand mostly. And if I have to look at the video at that rate to determine what he got, then it was not obvious enough for me to call.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I think he got some of the wrist too, but I believe he contacted the hand mostly. And if I have to look at the video at that rate to determine what he got, then it was not obvious enough for me to call.

Peace

Mostly hand isn't enough to avoid a foul if the wrist/arm is also contacted. Only the hand is legal. As with any call, if you are not able to see it, don't call it, but that one could be seen by some.

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Play #1: Foul. Not vertical defender makes contact to make a block.

I agree.

[jeremy341a]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

I agree.

Why do you say he isn't vertical? His arm is the only thing that isn't but it doesn't make contact.

[Rooster]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

The Ibaka play wasn't a foul. At first viewing I wondered how the L could really see the contact given his position.

Originally Posted by Indianaref

Agree on all three.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

1. No foul on Ibaka.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Play #1: Foul. Not vertical defender makes contact to make a block.

Peace

Again, I'm not trying to stir it up, I'm just curious... Let's go with Fed and NCAA rule sets on this play. Does Ibaka have LGP?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rooster

Again, I'm not trying to stir it up, I'm just curious... Let's go with Fed and NCAA rule sets on this play. Does Ibaka have LGP?

It does not matter if he does, he was not trying to take a charge or just get in the way. He was not vertical IMO and that is why it was a foul. You can be in LGP and then not be vertical and that is why you should be called for a foul.

Peace

[Rooster]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It does not matter if he does, he was not trying to take a charge or just get in the way. He was not vertical IMO and that is why it was a foul. You can be in LGP and then not be vertical and that is why you should be called for a foul.

Peace

Lemme know if I'm reading you right: You're saying that Ibaka moved toward the shooter and that's where the foul was, thus making him not vertical? (Contact with body at :25 on the video as far as I can tell.) Or are you saying that Ibaka's arm was outside his vertical plane?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rooster

Lemme know if I'm reading you right: You're saying that Ibaka moved toward the shooter and that's where the foul was, thus making him not vertical? (Contact with body at :25 on the video as far as I can tell.) Or are you saying that Ibaka's arm was outside his vertical plane?

Ibaka was not vertical when he jumped. Not only did he jump towards the shooter, he also had his arm was not vertical. Not sure how this is hard to understand.

Peace

[MechanicGuy]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Ibaka was not vertical when he jumped. Not only did he jump towards the shooter, he also had his arm was not vertical. Not sure how this is hard to understand.

Peace

Also, according to an NBA memo from this season, defenders lose the "verticality" advantage if they are turned sideways.

http://www.nba.com/media/Verticality...ar_31_2014.pdf