Kentucky/UConn Continuous Motion (end of 1st half foul) (video)

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by APG

And here's the thread discussing the play:

Miami at Wake Forest 3pt play

That is what I am talking about APG.

Originally Posted by just another ref

I don't think you count the basket here.

I still think this is apart of the shot. Maybe if he lost the ball on the and came back to the floor, but nothing suggest the shot is over because it was out of his hands.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

....but nothing suggest the shot is over because it was out of his hands.

By definition, a try ends when it is certain that it will not be successful. There is contact here, after which the ball is released and headed down, not up. It is certain at this point that the ball has no chance to go in. The try is over. The catch and subsequent release is a new try, in my opinion.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

By definition, a try ends when it is certain that it will not be successful. There is contact here, after which the ball is released and headed down, not up. It is certain at this point that the ball has no chance to go in. The try is over. The catch and subsequent release is a new try, in my opinion.

NCAA officials will never call this play the way you want it interpreted. You're more likely to see the blarge ruling changed than this.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

NCAA officials will never call this play the way you want it interpreted. You're more likely to see the blarge ruling changed than this.

A couple of things: First, this is a play that is very rare. I'm not sure I've ever seen it before. Second, where do you draw the line on it, then? Ball is out of his hands, then he catches it and shoots again. What if the ball hit the board? Could he then tap it in? What's the difference?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

A couple of things: First, this is a play that is very rare. I'm not sure I've ever seen it before. Second, where do you draw the line on it, then? Ball is out of his hands, then he catches it and shoots again. What if the ball hit the board? Could he then tap it in? What's the difference?

Knowing the common sense difference on such things is often the discriminating factor that allows one person to get hired and another not to get hired.

You may not agree with that line of thinking, but folks who have aspirations of becoming (and staying) an NCAA official learn or get left behind.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Knowing the common sense difference on such things is often the discriminating factor that allows one person to get hired and another not to get hired.

So this is another case of: Here's what the rule says but here is how we call it. Something which is a pretty play and at the same time is not blatantly illegal to the untrained eye and at the same time benefits the offense should be allowed.

If this is done consistently, I don't have a big problem with it.

[Rich]

If he's in the air (and is an airborne shooter that is fouled) and can make the ball go in the hoop without returning to the floor I'd be inclined to score the goal. Period.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

So this is another case of: Here's what the rule says but here is how we call it. Something which is a pretty play and at the same time is not blatantly illegal to the untrained eye and at the same time benefits the offense should be allowed.

If this is done consistently, I don't have a big problem with it.

From what I've seen, it's called consistently. Like you said, it rarely happens.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Rich

If he's in the air (and is an airborne shooter that is fouled) and can make the ball go in the hoop without returning to the floor I'd be inclined to score the goal. Period.

Does this mean you would let him tap it after it hit the board?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Does this mean you would let him tap it after it hit the board?

Are you being intentionally obtuse? You had to know what I meant in my post.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Rich

Are you being intentionally obtuse? You had to know what I meant in my post.

I asked earlier where you draw the line. Ball is released, try is over. Is airborne shooter allowed extra consideration, and if so, how much. I added the part about the board as an obviously over the top example. But you said if he can make it go in, it counts. PERIOD So accept my apology about the remark. How do you draw the line on this?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Does it matter to you if the ball is moved from one hand to the other by having both hands touch it briefly in the transition or if it is tossed through open space from one hand to the other?

Doesn't matter.

If they're able to get a shot off before they land, then it is one try.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by just another ref

By definition, a try ends when it is certain that it will not be successful. There is contact here, after which the ball is released and headed down, not up.

After the release of what? Do yo think that he released it on a try? I don't think that was what he did. I think he bobbled the ball (perhaps caused by the defender or not).

Originally Posted by just another ref

It is certain at this point that the ball has no chance to go in. The try is over. The catch and subsequent release is a new try, in my opinion.

Since it was not a try, there is no try to end (yet).

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by just another ref

By definition, a try ends when it is certain that it will not be successful. There is contact here, after which the ball is released and headed down, not up. It is certain at this point that the ball has no chance to go in. The try is over. The catch and subsequent release is a new try, in my opinion.

Opinion? Sounds like a factual citation to me. In my high school, game, the try ends, and he gets two free throws. You college guys can do what your supposed to do in a college game, like maybe count the bucket. I know more about this week's opposition of Mars, than I know about NCAA basketball rules.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Since it was not a try, there is no try to end (yet).

Uh, Camron, if the try has not yet begun, then we can't have continuous motion from the foul.
PS watch out for BillyMac to post an image of Yoda!