ND vs Baylor (Women's)- One Person Blarge (Video)

Originally Posted by Nikki

He didn't change his mind mid signal...he just counted the basket

Originally Posted by Rich

Yup. No question.

This is a block/charge play with the defender trying to draw a charge......can you explain why the official did not give a preliminary signal?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by AremRed

This is a block/charge play with the defender trying to draw a charge......can you explain why the official did not give a preliminary signal?

Because he didn't want to?

Even though I disagree with the call, there is absolutely no doubt in anybody's mind what Roger called on that play, so I don't see the big deal about a preliminary.

[ballgame99]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Because he didn't want to?

Even though I disagree with the call, there is absolutely no doubt in anybody's mind what Roger called on that play, so I don't see the big deal about a preliminary.

Actually there was. He points a fist in the other direction (charge) but did so in a chopping motion (count the bucket). And how often do you see block/charge plays that are called blocks that don't get a primary signal? Not often.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

Actually there was. He points a fist in the other direction (charge) but did so in a chopping motion (count the bucket). And how often do you see block/charge plays that are called blocks that don't get a primary signal? Not often.

More often than you guys think. If it's a charge, he wouldn't score the basket.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

Actually there was. He points a fist in the other direction (charge) but did so in a chopping motion (count the bucket). And how often do you see block/charge plays that are called blocks that don't get a primary signal? Not often.

I see his normal 'count the basket' mechanic. He goes behind the head for PC.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by AremRed

This is a block/charge play with the defender trying to draw a charge......can you explain why the official did not give a preliminary signal?

Same reason I wouldn't -- I would come up with the fist and score the basket. Isn't that self-explanatory?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Rich

Same reason I wouldn't -- I would come up with the fist and score the basket. Isn't that self-explanatory?

Not at the NCAA men's level where the basket can count if the try was released prior to the charging foul. My point is that it is possible to have both, so counting the basket is not clear.

Originally Posted by ballgame99

And how often do you see block/charge plays that are called blocks that don't get a primary signal? Not often.

Exactly.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Because he didn't want to?

Even though I disagree with the call, there is absolutely no doubt in anybody's mind what Roger called on that play, so I don't see the big deal about a preliminary.

There is doubt in my mind.

Originally Posted by Rich

Same reason I wouldn't -- I would come up with the fist and score the basket. Isn't that self-explanatory?

Not at all. Can you tell me why a preliminary signal differentiating whether this is a block or a charge should not be used?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Exactly.



There is doubt in my mind.



Not at all. Can you tell me why a preliminary signal differentiating whether this is a block or a charge should not be used?

Explain to me what's the difference? Obvious to me he was counting it. I know the NCAAM rule - the call, to me, was obvious.

Picking nits on these guys doesn't strike me as a particular useful use of time.