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Old Wed Apr 02, 2014, 01:09pm
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That's because both videos show player control fouls. The Syracuse/ Duke call was probably worse since definitely beat him to the spot before he began his upward motion towards the basket. That is the call that made the call at 10 seconds in the second half hard to swallow.
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Old Wed Apr 02, 2014, 05:31pm
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If that wouldn't have been her 5th, she would have been gone. All three referees knew how many whe had. And Muffitt McGraw now has an ace in her pocket and she knows it. They have to come down and "give " her a 50 / 50. Up 12 at home she can live with that. I realize that all the purists say she had to call a charge, but that isn't reality.... Right, wrong or indifferent.

If she could do it all over....no call !!!

However Rich is right...would have loves to see a PC called and watch Mulkey lose it...

Give me a MD / Baylor Final and the sideshow would be great.....Mulkey and Friese !!!!! And of course threee female referees.
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Old Wed Apr 02, 2014, 08:20pm
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If that wouldn't have been her 5th, she would have been gone. All three referees knew how many whe had. And Muffitt McGraw now has an ace in her pocket and she knows it. They have to come down and "give " her a 50 / 50. Up 12 at home she can live with that. I realize that all the purists say she had to call a charge, but that isn't reality.... Right, wrong or indifferent.
Wow! Just wow, that you actually think this way about officiating.
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Old Wed Apr 02, 2014, 09:33pm
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Wow! Just wow, that you actually think this way about officiating.
At least he's consistent.
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Old Thu Apr 03, 2014, 02:39am
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The play in question was definitely an offensive foul (which would have been Odessy Sims 5th foul).

Now fouls number 3 and 4 that were called on her were completely and utterly bogus.

There were a number of instances, calls in favor of each team, that were very suspect. Overall, I would say this crew should have performed better than it did given the fact it was a Regional Final (and you would assume that the assigned officials are of a very high caliber).
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Old Thu Apr 03, 2014, 12:24pm
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Curious if anyone saw the one person blarge at the 5:05 mark of the second half.
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Don't think I've ever, or ever seen, an official so clearly going offense then changing it to a block.

Shouldn't this be a chock?
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Old Thu Apr 03, 2014, 01:34pm
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The play in question was definitely an offensive foul (which would have been Odessy Sims 5th foul).

Now fouls number 3 and 4 that were called on her were completely and utterly bogus.

There were a number of instances, calls in favor of each team, that were very suspect. Overall, I would say this crew should have performed better than it did given the fact it was a Regional Final (and you would assume that the assigned officials are of a very high caliber).
Got video of those "bogus" calls?

Or are we just supposed to take your word for it? Cause based on your track record on this forum, don't think anyone is taking your word for it.
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Old Thu Apr 03, 2014, 01:59pm
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He didn't change his mind mid signal...he just counted the basket
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Yup. No question.
This is a block/charge play with the defender trying to draw a charge......can you explain why the official did not give a preliminary signal?
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This is a block/charge play with the defender trying to draw a charge......can you explain why the official did not give a preliminary signal?
Because he didn't want to?

Even though I disagree with the call, there is absolutely no doubt in anybody's mind what Roger called on that play, so I don't see the big deal about a preliminary.
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Because he didn't want to?

Even though I disagree with the call, there is absolutely no doubt in anybody's mind what Roger called on that play, so I don't see the big deal about a preliminary.
Actually there was. He points a fist in the other direction (charge) but did so in a chopping motion (count the bucket). And how often do you see block/charge plays that are called blocks that don't get a primary signal? Not often.
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This is a block/charge play with the defender trying to draw a charge......can you explain why the official did not give a preliminary signal?
Same reason I wouldn't -- I would come up with the fist and score the basket. Isn't that self-explanatory?
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Actually there was. He points a fist in the other direction (charge) but did so in a chopping motion (count the bucket). And how often do you see block/charge plays that are called blocks that don't get a primary signal? Not often.
More often than you guys think. If it's a charge, he wouldn't score the basket.
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Same reason I wouldn't -- I would come up with the fist and score the basket. Isn't that self-explanatory?
Not at the NCAA men's level where the basket can count if the try was released prior to the charging foul. My point is that it is possible to have both, so counting the basket is not clear.
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Old Fri Apr 04, 2014, 06:34pm
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And how often do you see block/charge plays that are called blocks that don't get a primary signal? Not often.
Exactly.

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Because he didn't want to?

Even though I disagree with the call, there is absolutely no doubt in anybody's mind what Roger called on that play, so I don't see the big deal about a preliminary.
There is doubt in my mind.

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Same reason I wouldn't -- I would come up with the fist and score the basket. Isn't that self-explanatory?
Not at all. Can you tell me why a preliminary signal differentiating whether this is a block or a charge should not be used?
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Old Fri Apr 04, 2014, 07:06pm
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You may have a point. She does almost get herself straight-lined (can't really blame her as I thought the action would have gone a different direction).

Sometimes you whistle just kinda blows itself...then you are stuck with needing to make a quick decision.
Sometimes the whistle just........... I like that explanation and yes it has happened to me more than once over the years. I do remember waving the whistle (Eating it)and resuming play at POI.Yes, I looked stupid, but the teams went on. Another time I quickly pretended to pick something up from the floor and put in my pocket.
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