Flagrant foul on Lebron (Video)

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

That's right bc if it ain't in 1080p there is no way anyone could learn from the conversation.

At a minimum 480 with a close up of the action.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Altor

If this is a HS game, after Hibbert gets up with help from teammates and then falls back down, do you have him removed and evaluated for a concussion?

Evaluated? If you think a player is concussed he's done for the game.

[deecee]

I personally do not see this as flagrant. Where is he supposed to put his elbows in this move? His pocket.

[APG]

Originally Posted by CNYREF

Travel?

Technically, LeBron traveled after he ended his dribble, but that was only something that I was able to tell on the slowed down baseline camera view. This is a nit that isn't picked at this level.

Originally Posted by AremRed

I want to know what the Lead was thinking. He had a whistle and put his arm up extra strong, but deferred to Monty in the Slot.

The lead (Mark Ayotte) probably had a foul on Hibbert for jumping forward and toward LeBron. If it wasn't for LeBron's elbow, I would agree with the call. Great get from Monty McCutchen in the slot.

[jeremy341a]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

At a minimum 480 with a close up of the action.

I will try to adhere to the forum guidelines in the future. I did notice that on a lot of videos if the quality it low you can click on the gear on youtube and select a higher quality.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

I will try to adhere to the forum guidelines in the future. I did notice that on a lot of videos if the quality it low you can click on the gear on youtube and select a higher quality.

Tell them to pound sand, jeremy. If they don't like your videos, they can always just not watch them.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

I personally do not see this as flagrant. Where is he supposed to put his elbows in this move? His pocket.

This wasn't a natural elbow movement, for one. It looked pretty apparent to me that it was intentional.

For me, in a HS game, it's at minimum an intentional (automatic, actually, by rule). If I sense even the slightest bit of intent, he's done.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by deecee

Evaluated? If you think a player is concussed he's done for the game.

Dead wrong by NFHS rules.


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Any player who exhibits signs, symptoms or behaviors consistent with a concussion (such as loss of consciousness, headache, dizziness, confusion, or balance problems) shall be immediately removed from the game and shall not return to play until cleared by an appropriate health care professional. (See NFHS Suggested Guidelines for Management of Concussion in Appendix A on page 76.)

[deecee]

"Mr. Dead Wrong" NY state doesn't allow a professional to clear a player once an official disqualifies them for symptoms of a concussion. We can confer with a professional, if one is available, before we make the assessment. But once made the kid is done until he is evaluated and cleared by the school.

NY state doesn't deal with notes during the game. Once a decision is made its final and not reversible by anyone.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Dead wrong by NFHS rules.


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Any player who exhibits signs, symptoms or behaviors consistent with a concussion (such as loss of consciousness, headache, dizziness, confusion, or balance problems) shall be immediately removed from the game and shall not return to play until cleared by an appropriate health care professional. (See NFHS Suggested Guidelines for Management of Concussion in Appendix A on page 76.)

They are not dead wrong. Any state can make a rule more restrictive. NY State is just saying they do not allow that time to take place during the game or get approval. And this rule appears to be more restrictive in that state.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

"Mr. Dead Wrong" NY state doesn't allow a professional to clear a player once an official disqualifies them for symptoms of a concussion. We can confer with a professional, if one is available, before we make the assessment. But once made the kid is done until he is evaluated and cleared by the school.

NY state doesn't deal with notes during the game. Once a decision is made its final and not reversible by anyone.

Your original post mentions nothing about NY, and Altor only mentioned "in high school." Does Altor work in NY?

Nevada is right, by NFHS rule, your correction of Altor was incorrect.

[Nevadaref]

Let's go through this sequence again.

Originally Posted by Altor

If this is a HS game, after Hibbert gets up with help from teammates and then falls back down, do you have him removed and evaluated for a concussion?

I have no idea where Altor is located. Therefore, the default assumption is that he is inquiring about NFHS rules.

Originally Posted by deecee

Evaluated? If you think a player is concussed he's done for the game.

This statement does not have any qualifier, such as "in my state" or "in NY state"...
Thus it looks as if the poster is providing a general answer for everyone.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Dead wrong by NFHS rules.


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Any player who exhibits signs, symptoms or behaviors consistent with a concussion (such as loss of consciousness, headache, dizziness, confusion, or balance problems) shall be immediately removed from the game and shall not return to play until cleared by an appropriate health care professional. (See NFHS Suggested Guidelines for Management of Concussion in Appendix A on page 76.)

I didn't write that the poster or his particular state was incorrect in what they may do, rather I very specifically noted that the statement was wrong "by NFHS rules" and included the NFHS citation.
Had either of the previous posters asked for or noted a specific state regulation, I wouldn't have bothered to post. As it was the response was clearly misleading and confusing to anyone not familiar with his specific area.

[JRutledge]

Gotcha Nevada.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Altor

If this is a HS game, after Hibbert gets up with help from teammates and then falls back down, do you have him removed and evaluated for a concussion?

Originally Posted by deecee

Evaluated? If you think a player is concussed he's done for the game.

Altor works in NY? Because your answer is dead wrong for my state also.

[deecee]

I should have specified that in my state concussion type symptoms are treated differently. I guess my response to Nevada was based on a previous bias based on his past pedantic retorts and comments. In all honestly I should have qualified my basis for judgement but a common argumentative and patronizing leading response could have been the trigger for my sarcasm.

Either way there are many cases where the NFHS isn't the holy grail, it is regulated state by state.