Kentucky vs. Wichita State Throw-In Violation (Video)
 

16:30 left, second half. TI violation called following a PC foul.

Announcer (idiot) said he "stepped over the line". That's not what happened, he seems to have left the 3 foot spot and the call was delayed a couple of seconds.

Oh, and the T signaled a travel.

He first waved is arms and just went with a violation, then used the travel signal. I might add, it did come late, as the ball was already inbounded. Almost looked like he was going to pass on it, then changed his mind.

It was a close enough call, I had to watch a few times. It looked to me like he forgot for a moment that it was a spot throw in.

It should also be mentioned that the officials added a second back on the clock before the subsequent throw-in after the violation.

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first mechanic was correct second mechanic with wrong. But he got his point across.

Another perpetuation of the myth that you can travel on a throwin. :(

If he'd stopped after the first signal, all would have been good.

He forgot and then made up the travel....at that level that is embarrassing.....

Eh, the use of the travel signal has never bothered me, for some reason.

Me either. I don't use it and don't advocate it, but don't care if others do it given that there is no "official" signal. The first signal the official did is the one I use.

Was this coming out of a timeout? Perhaps some preventative officiating could have prevented this?

Ounce Of Prevention ...
 

"Designated spot" (and point).

The main reason I hate the signal for violations on a throw-in, people think the thrower has a pivot foot. They clearly do not and giving the travel helps confuse the issue.

Also in this play he was really late with the call.

Peace

1. There is an official signal in the book for this violation.
2. "Preventative officiating" such as what? Instructing the player as to what he may or may not do on the throw-in? That's called coaching.

If you tell the player what kind of thrown in they have, whether you say "Designated spot" or "You cannot move" (:D) then you are telling them what they can do and not be confused. Not sure I consider that coaching if you are just giving basic information like you would on many other situations.

Peace

I agree - coming out of the time-out: verify, even from a distance, with my partners what kind - (spot or run the endline) and where is the throw-in. It would save the crew from a possibly embarrassing situation.

Throwin Mechanics ...
 

No, that's called proper IAABO mechanics.

Throwin E 1 d: Throwin administration: Administering official shall ... signal the type of throwin:
1) Designated spot (may use verbiage, if so, "Designated spot").
2) Endline with no designated spot (use signal to indicate ability to move along the endline after a timeout, or unusual delay).

NFHS mechanics ???

No Soup For You ...
 

I'm not taking the bait.

(And no 10% discount for you when I go on my article signing tour.)

I usually specify either "spot throw" or "you can run the end line" for end line throw-ins only. For sideline throw-ins the players should always know it is a spot throw. I haven't heard a credible reason why I shouldn't. What you call "coaching" I, and many others call "preventative officiating".

NFHS Officials Manual 3.2.2 Throw-ins:
C End Line 5. When the clock is stopped, use the proper verbal and visual signal to indicate whether a spot throw-in or running the end line privileges are in effect.

Don't worry, I was not going to buy it anyway. Just like I am not buying any IAABO books either.

Peace

From this video there is no way to determine wether he did or did not indicate a spot throw in.

Spot throw-in after a charge was called on a fastbreak.

I announce so everyone can hear whether it is a spot or "running" throw-in. The defense is supposed to be informed just like the offense is.

Seems that we were on different wave-lengths.
Apparently, what you call "preventative officiating" I call proper mechanics.
I have no issue with the official signaling something which he should, however it seemed that you were advocating that the official should go out of his way to tell the player what he may or may not doing in this situation.
There is a line between an official properly giving information to the players and an official providing extra instruction which benefits one team.

I honestly say it just loud enough for those in the vicinity to hear, along with a visual signal. I'm not yelling it loud enough for the bigs on the other end to hear it. But I agree, I wait until both sides are out of the TO before saying it, unless of course the D is a bit late to the party.

Yep, there was no TO involved (IIRC).

I was so confused when i saw this live. There must have been some sort of break because it didn't even dawn on me this was a spot throw in.

Is there a section in the mechanics manual that says: "made sure to not over-communicate, you might be giving one team an unfair advantage" or "only follow these proper mechanics, nothing more, nothing less"?

If I do it for every throw, doesn't it benefit both teams?

Nevadaref thought you meant something along the lines of "Jimmy, this is a spot throw in. Remember, that means you can't go too far to either your left or your right. You don't have to keep a pivot foot or anything, but your space is three feet wide."

Now, for most of me, it's "13, here's your spot." I think the problem was with the term "preventative officiating" when used to (apparently) indicate following the proper mechanics for the situation. Yes, in this case, the mechanic is preventive, but, it isn't what is generally referred to (around her) as "preventive officiating."

We get easily hung up on terms around here.

Given that I said exactly what I do (see below), I don't think Nevadaref misunderstood me.