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Old Fri Mar 21, 2014, 01:45am
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I use the pocket whistle to keep up with the arrow only when there is a person who is obviously new and/or not doing a competent job of it. I've never done it at the varsity level.

Here's my question for those who do keep the arrow, whether it's with a whistle, or just in your head. What happens if the arrow points one way, you disagree, and the conflict cannot be resolved? This is listed as the timer's responsibility, not the officials, isn't it?

The norm around here is for the timer to work the arrow, and the scorer to also keep it in the book, and they check with each other. At some point don't you just have to trust your whole crew?
If I disagree with the table, we're going with what I have. One can try and pass it off on the table, but you're the one going to be in trouble for not keeping track of it.
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Old Fri Mar 21, 2014, 02:14am
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If I disagree with the table, we're going with what I have. One can try and pass it off on the table, but you're the one going to be in trouble for not keeping track of it.

Scorers duties:

2-11-7: Record the jump balls..............and be responsible for the possession arrow.

2-6: No official has the authority to set aside or question decisions made by the other official(s) within the limits of their respective outlined duties.
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Old Fri Mar 21, 2014, 02:29am
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Scorers duties:

2-11-7: Record the jump balls..............and be responsible for the possession arrow.

2-6: No official has the authority to set aside or question decisions made by the other official(s) within the limits of their respective outlined duties.
I would say that 2-6 is meant to deal with game officials. It's quite clear (at least to me) that table officials do not have the same authority that game officials do. If game officials have definite knowledge, they can set aside "decisions" (if we want to say what they are doing are making decisions) from table officials.
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Old Fri Mar 21, 2014, 02:38am
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I would say that 2-6 is meant to deal with game officials. It's quite clear (at least to me) that table officials do not have the same authority that game officials do. If game officials have definite knowledge, they can set aside "decisions" (if we want to say what they are doing are making decisions) from table officials.
I thought so, too, but as I look at it now:

Game and Table Officials........listed on the same line in 2-1.

The scorer has a list of duties, and she has a pencil and I don't. I will ask if I see a problem, but if I see it in writing and the scorer is certain I think I would back down in this case.
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