Small Mechanics tips

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Bingo. We train rookies to use the pocket whistle. And we evaluate our peers with understanding that they will use a pocket whistle as a double check aid, not as a crutch.

What do they do when they forget to move the whistle And yes, they will sometimes forget.

Peace

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by Adam

NEVER NEVER NEVER DO THIS on a basketball court. You can see the players you need to see as L by turning your head.

Backpedaling will only get you into trouble, and makes you look like a rookie (the least of all concerns, but a significant impression will be made).

In case you didn't realize, my entire post was nonsensical. I sincerely hope nobody runs backwards to see the players. You think anybody working varsity HS ball or college ball would ever seriously advocate that?

Originally Posted by johnny d

In case you didn't realize, my entire post was nonsensical.

I dunno man that advice about blasting a cheerleader was pretty good.

[Rich]

This whole thread turned into the usual nonsense about Connecticut officials wearing long-sleeved striped dress shirts and using pea whistles to officiate.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I dunno man that advice about blasting a cheerleader was pretty good.

It works, but you have to be careful. A few years ago, a cheerleader's parent called the police when an official ran into their daughter. When the game was over, the police were waiting to question the official before he even went to the locker room and changed. We still give that guy grief every time he works a game where there are cheerleaders and very little room to maneuver.

[just another ref]

I use the pocket whistle to keep up with the arrow only when there is a person who is obviously new and/or not doing a competent job of it. I've never done it at the varsity level.

Here's my question for those who do keep the arrow, whether it's with a whistle, or just in your head. What happens if the arrow points one way, you disagree, and the conflict cannot be resolved? This is listed as the timer's responsibility, not the officials, isn't it?

The norm around here is for the timer to work the arrow, and the scorer to also keep it in the book, and they check with each other. At some point don't you just have to trust your whole crew?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by johnny d

It works, but you have to be careful. A few years ago, a cheerleader's parent called the police when an official ran into their daughter. When the game was over, the police were waiting to question the official before he even went to the locker room and changed. We still give that guy grief every time he works a game where there are cheerleaders and very little room to maneuver.

I know I was there.

The AD did us no favors that night. He did not handle his business and even tried to tease or bring it up to us at halftime. The cheerleading coach tried to confront us when going back on the court and I stopped her. Then I made it very clear to the cheerleaders if we even came close to running into any of them, we will remove the entire squad. Well they ended up on the sideline which had tones of room.

It was a cluster.....you know what.

BTW, I give that official crap about it every now and then too.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I use the pocket whistle to keep up with the arrow only when there is a person who is obviously new and/or not doing a competent job of it. I've never done it at the varsity level.

Here's my question for those who do keep the arrow, whether it's with a whistle, or just in your head. What happens if the arrow points one way, you disagree, and the conflict cannot be resolved? This is listed as the timer's responsibility, not the officials, isn't it?

The norm around here is for the timer to work the arrow, and the scorer to also keep it in the book, and they check with each other. At some point don't you just have to trust your whole crew?

When I remember AP situations it is simple, I tell them when we last had a held ball. Usually that jars someone's memory other than mine and we put the ball in play and go. Usually you can remember this from the start of the game. I am not one to make a big deal about where it is pointed to start the game like some do until we have a dead ball, stoppage of play. Usually I will live and die with my memory unless someone can convince me we are wrong. But that happens so rare there is much of a debate either way. But I take it upon myself to not only know what situation we had the held ball, but try to remember the time. It has worked so far.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

When I remember AP situations it is simple, I tell them when we last had a held ball. Usually that jars someone's memory other than mine and we put the ball in play and go. Usually you can remember this from the start of the game. I am not one to make a big deal about where it is pointed to start the game like some do until we have a dead ball, stoppage of play. Usually I will live and die with my memory unless someone can convince me we are wrong. But that happens so rare there is much of a debate either way. But I take it upon myself to not only know what situation we had the held ball, but try to remember the time. It has worked so far.

Peace

All very good, but that wasn't the question.

[Rob1968]

AremRed: "The "deep corner" is not the Lead's area in NFHS/NCAA-M. If the ball is in the corner Lead is usually watching post play or screens right in his area. If the player drives from the deep corner into Lead's area then the Lead can pick that up, but Trail should have that play initially."

I understand that, for 3-man mechanics. And our Assignor emphasizes that we should be more mobile as Lead, even in 3-man mechanics. We still see many officials who set up as Lead within four or five feet of the lane, and never get any wider. So, when the ball is in their PCA, out as wide as the 3-point line, they, in effect, have to turn away from the center of the court.
I should've referenced 2-man Mechanics. I did about 60 games this season, of which 40+ would be considered training/mentoring newer officials, and we do all of those (sub-varsity) games with 2-man mechanics.

[APG]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I use the pocket whistle to keep up with the arrow only when there is a person who is obviously new and/or not doing a competent job of it. I've never done it at the varsity level.

Here's my question for those who do keep the arrow, whether it's with a whistle, or just in your head. What happens if the arrow points one way, you disagree, and the conflict cannot be resolved? This is listed as the timer's responsibility, not the officials, isn't it?

The norm around here is for the timer to work the arrow, and the scorer to also keep it in the book, and they check with each other. At some point don't you just have to trust your whole crew?

If I disagree with the table, we're going with what I have. One can try and pass it off on the table, but you're the one going to be in trouble for not keeping track of it.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by APG

If I disagree with the table, we're going with what I have. One can try and pass it off on the table, but you're the one going to be in trouble for not keeping track of it.

Scorers duties:

2-11-7: Record the jump balls..............and be responsible for the possession arrow.

2-6: No official has the authority to set aside or question decisions made by the other official(s) within the limits of their respective outlined duties.

[APG]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Scorers duties:

2-11-7: Record the jump balls..............and be responsible for the possession arrow.

2-6: No official has the authority to set aside or question decisions made by the other official(s) within the limits of their respective outlined duties.

I would say that 2-6 is meant to deal with game officials. It's quite clear (at least to me) that table officials do not have the same authority that game officials do. If game officials have definite knowledge, they can set aside "decisions" (if we want to say what they are doing are making decisions) from table officials.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by APG

I would say that 2-6 is meant to deal with game officials. It's quite clear (at least to me) that table officials do not have the same authority that game officials do. If game officials have definite knowledge, they can set aside "decisions" (if we want to say what they are doing are making decisions) from table officials.

I thought so, too, but as I look at it now:

Game and Table Officials........listed on the same line in 2-1.

The scorer has a list of duties, and she has a pencil and I don't. I will ask if I see a problem, but if I see it in writing and the scorer is certain I think I would back down in this case.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

But I know there are more people opposed to wearing a belt ...

People in Chicagoland? People in the rest of the nation? People in the rest of the world? Yes. Yes. Yes. Agree. Agree. Agree. But there is one exception, here in my little corner of Connecticut. The people that I care about most, those that rate, and rank, me, are not opposed to wearing a belt. Our rookie officials are neither encouraged, nor discouraged, from wearing a belt, as long as it's black. I know, I served on that training committee. Since I don't plan on moving away from my little corner of Connecticut, and since I don't plan on moving up to the NCAA, I really don't care about all those other "people", other than for the sake of discussion here on the Forum. I do realize that if I was planning on moving away from Connecticut, let's say to Chicagoland, that I would be expected to conform to mores of that culture, and I would most certainly have to wear beltless slacks, or face failure to "fit in".