Small Mechanics tips

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I dunno man that advice about blasting a cheerleader was pretty good.

It works, but you have to be careful. A few years ago, a cheerleader's parent called the police when an official ran into their daughter. When the game was over, the police were waiting to question the official before he even went to the locker room and changed. We still give that guy grief every time he works a game where there are cheerleaders and very little room to maneuver.

[just another ref]

I use the pocket whistle to keep up with the arrow only when there is a person who is obviously new and/or not doing a competent job of it. I've never done it at the varsity level.

Here's my question for those who do keep the arrow, whether it's with a whistle, or just in your head. What happens if the arrow points one way, you disagree, and the conflict cannot be resolved? This is listed as the timer's responsibility, not the officials, isn't it?

The norm around here is for the timer to work the arrow, and the scorer to also keep it in the book, and they check with each other. At some point don't you just have to trust your whole crew?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I use the pocket whistle to keep up with the arrow only when there is a person who is obviously new and/or not doing a competent job of it. I've never done it at the varsity level.

Here's my question for those who do keep the arrow, whether it's with a whistle, or just in your head. What happens if the arrow points one way, you disagree, and the conflict cannot be resolved? This is listed as the timer's responsibility, not the officials, isn't it?

The norm around here is for the timer to work the arrow, and the scorer to also keep it in the book, and they check with each other. At some point don't you just have to trust your whole crew?

When I remember AP situations it is simple, I tell them when we last had a held ball. Usually that jars someone's memory other than mine and we put the ball in play and go. Usually you can remember this from the start of the game. I am not one to make a big deal about where it is pointed to start the game like some do until we have a dead ball, stoppage of play. Usually I will live and die with my memory unless someone can convince me we are wrong. But that happens so rare there is much of a debate either way. But I take it upon myself to not only know what situation we had the held ball, but try to remember the time. It has worked so far.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

When I remember AP situations it is simple, I tell them when we last had a held ball. Usually that jars someone's memory other than mine and we put the ball in play and go. Usually you can remember this from the start of the game. I am not one to make a big deal about where it is pointed to start the game like some do until we have a dead ball, stoppage of play. Usually I will live and die with my memory unless someone can convince me we are wrong. But that happens so rare there is much of a debate either way. But I take it upon myself to not only know what situation we had the held ball, but try to remember the time. It has worked so far.

Peace

All very good, but that wasn't the question.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

All very good, but that wasn't the question.

I am telling you what I do. We are the final say anyway. I have had to remind the table several times when we had a held ball and then they realize the crew or me was correct. You are the one that is ultimately going to take the crap, so I take it upon myself to always know. It might also help I do not work girls games and do not have 500 of those a game.

Peace

[APG]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I use the pocket whistle to keep up with the arrow only when there is a person who is obviously new and/or not doing a competent job of it. I've never done it at the varsity level.

Here's my question for those who do keep the arrow, whether it's with a whistle, or just in your head. What happens if the arrow points one way, you disagree, and the conflict cannot be resolved? This is listed as the timer's responsibility, not the officials, isn't it?

The norm around here is for the timer to work the arrow, and the scorer to also keep it in the book, and they check with each other. At some point don't you just have to trust your whole crew?

If I disagree with the table, we're going with what I have. One can try and pass it off on the table, but you're the one going to be in trouble for not keeping track of it.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by APG

If I disagree with the table, we're going with what I have. One can try and pass it off on the table, but you're the one going to be in trouble for not keeping track of it.

Scorers duties:

2-11-7: Record the jump balls..............and be responsible for the possession arrow.

2-6: No official has the authority to set aside or question decisions made by the other official(s) within the limits of their respective outlined duties.

[APG]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Scorers duties:

2-11-7: Record the jump balls..............and be responsible for the possession arrow.

2-6: No official has the authority to set aside or question decisions made by the other official(s) within the limits of their respective outlined duties.

I would say that 2-6 is meant to deal with game officials. It's quite clear (at least to me) that table officials do not have the same authority that game officials do. If game officials have definite knowledge, they can set aside "decisions" (if we want to say what they are doing are making decisions) from table officials.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by APG

I would say that 2-6 is meant to deal with game officials. It's quite clear (at least to me) that table officials do not have the same authority that game officials do. If game officials have definite knowledge, they can set aside "decisions" (if we want to say what they are doing are making decisions) from table officials.

I thought so, too, but as I look at it now:

Game and Table Officials........listed on the same line in 2-1.

The scorer has a list of duties, and she has a pencil and I don't. I will ask if I see a problem, but if I see it in writing and the scorer is certain I think I would back down in this case.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by johnny d

It works, but you have to be careful. A few years ago, a cheerleader's parent called the police when an official ran into their daughter. When the game was over, the police were waiting to question the official before he even went to the locker room and changed. We still give that guy grief every time he works a game where there are cheerleaders and very little room to maneuver.

I know I was there.

The AD did us no favors that night. He did not handle his business and even tried to tease or bring it up to us at halftime. The cheerleading coach tried to confront us when going back on the court and I stopped her. Then I made it very clear to the cheerleaders if we even came close to running into any of them, we will remove the entire squad. Well they ended up on the sideline which had tones of room.

It was a cluster.....you know what.

BTW, I give that official crap about it every now and then too.

Peace