NCAA Tournament and Precision Timing

[tjones1]

I wouldn't bet on it.

I really don't understand it but it's a money issue.

[tmagan]

So let me understand, Precision Timing is not needed, but every time the whistle blows late in the Oregon/Wisconsin game, the Stand By official has to summon the scorers table hurriedly to sound the horn to get the officials attention to put more time back on the clock. All in all, well done NCAA.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by tmagan

So let me understand, Precision Timing is not needed, but every time the whistle blows late in the Oregon/Wisconsin game, the Stand By official has to summon the scorers table hurriedly to sound the horn to get the officials attention to put more time back on the clock. All in all, well done NCAA.

I too thought the end of that game could have been handled better.

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

I too thought the end of that game could have been handled better.

Yeah with that and the held-ball call. I also realized that I am not a fan of Ed Corbett or his mechanics.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Yeah with that and the held-ball call. I also realized that I am not a fan of Ed Corbett or his mechanics.

Is he the one who makes the goofy exaggerated point to the designated spot?

(Regardless - even as a Badger fan, the technical was well-earned.)

Originally Posted by Rich

Is he the one who makes the goofy exaggerated point to the designated spot?

And quadruple tweeting at a player to give him the ball after a called foul and granting timeouts from across the court when the coach was asking the tableside official who was like 3 feet away.

Edit: and dual finger pointing to the sky on a held-ball call.

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by AremRed

And quadruple tweeting at a player to give him the ball after a called foul and granting timeouts from across the court when the coach was asking the tableside official who was like 3 feet away.

Edit: and dual finger pointing to the sky on a held-ball call.

Starting to see that appear here from certain high school local associations around here.

Originally Posted by tjones1

it's a money issue.

Do you have a source for that information? I heard that last year and again this year but have yet to hear this from a verifiable source.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by tjones1

I wouldn't bet on it.

I really don't understand it but it's a money issue.

How much money is it really?

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

How much money is it really?

According to info I received outside this group - and I have great trust in the person who provided the info - there are a few reasons behind the NCAA not using PTS in the tournament:

1. Accuracy - Sometimes it doesn't stop/start the clock properly.
1a. Different systems, NBA vs. NCAA - The NBA systems use two microphones while NCAA systems use one, which can affect accuracy.
2. Dependency - Officials don't pay as much attention to the clock as they should when PTS is used because they think it will work properly all the time.

[APG]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

According to info I received outside this group - and I have great trust in the person who provided the info - there are a few reasons behind the NCAA not using PTS in the tournament:

1. Accuracy - Sometimes it doesn't stop/start the clock properly.
1a. Different systems, NBA vs. NCAA - The NBA systems use two microphones while NCAA systems use one, which can affect accuracy.
2. Dependency - Officials don't pay as much attention to the clock as they should when PTS is used because they think it will work properly all the time.

You can do the same with replay in all the games since one can fall back to going to replay at any point in the game to fix a timing mistake.

[tmagan]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

How much money is it really?

Apparently not enough to get a clock operator in San Antonio to know when the clock stops or starts. Seriously, every close game in the NCAA tournament has five trips to the monitor because of inept clock operators.

[Drizzle]

Looks like coaches are finally starting to notice:

Ben Wilkins ‏@CoachWilkinsMSM
Can anyone explain to me why precision timing is not used during NCAA tournament but is used for about 99.9% of games during year?

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by Rich

One of the mechanics our crew had adopted is that when a ball is tied up, the crew blow whistles but do not signal until we verify that none of us have a foul, have granted a timeout, etc. Then and only then do we give the two thumbs up.

I tell my partners this during our pregame. We also have gone away from the open-hand mechanic on a held ball. I will just blow my whistle and make eye contact before giving the signal in case they have anything. Nothing looks worse than giving the held ball mechanic while your partner is standing there with his fist up about to give a preliminary signal for a foul.

[MD Longhorn]

I think it's rather embarrassing (to the NCAA) that something which is rather seamless during the season is such a mess during their showcase event. The drama factor in these games, with the constant stoppages, is was less than it could be.