Dead ball contact (Video)

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Adam

I agree with the call, Jeff.

Me too. He clearly gave an extra and excessive shove.

[Bad Zebra]

Excellent piece of preventive officiating IMO. Blue player gives him the little extra that usually gets missed…and starts the simmering that could explode a couple plays later. Nice work JRut.

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

Excellent piece of preventive officiating IMO. Blue player gives him the little extra that usually gets missed…and starts the simmering that could explode a couple plays later. Nice work JRut.

That looked like the explosion to me. Real prevention would be getting whatever caused the blue player to react that way.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by AremRed

That looked like the explosion to me. Real prevention would be getting whatever caused the blue player to react that way.

And what was that? I don't see anything to make him react, other than the score and time left in the game.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Dang Rut. The only thing I have to ask is how do you stay so young looking, ?

But I do believe your call was a good one especially because the L can't see the Blue player's actions from your side of the court.

MTD, Sr.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by AremRed

That looked like the explosion to me. Real prevention would be getting whatever caused the blue player to react that way.

Jeff said earlier the T wound up being Blue 5's fifth foul. That being the case there were already at least four attempts at "prevention" prior to this.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by AremRed

That looked like the explosion to me. Real prevention would be getting whatever caused the blue player to react that way.

Jeff did an outstanding job here catching what needed to be caught.

Unless, of course, you think every such action like this is the officials fault -- in that case, I'd like to suggest altering your line of thinking. Or become a play-by-play announcer or coach.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AremRed

That looked like the explosion to me. Real prevention would be getting whatever caused the blue player to react that way.

The player that was fouled in this case was not a dirty player. He played hard but never did anything dirty or over the top. I am sure the white player was frustrating to play against because he was big and strong as big strong players often do to their opponents. But as stated he did not foul anyone hard or even knock anyone down while fouling. There was a play earlier when a player on the blue team threw himself into a stationary and vertical (same big player on the white team) player and was fell, but he did not slap at the ball or try to block the shot. He just stood there in a LGP and hardly was moved by the smaller player. That was the most contact this player was involved in during that game.

Now these teams did play 3 other times, so maybe there was some history in their game, but nothing in that game stood out. And for the record in this particular Regional, we had the white team in their previous game and this player fouled out. I actually had called a couple of rebounding or off ball fouls on this player and it did not involve this blue player that shoved this kid.

Now the entire game is online and on this site. You are more than welcome to watch the game and decide what other things could have been dealt with. I am willing to hear your thoughts if you wish to give them. I just cannot think of anything I witnessed that led to this in this play or other specific play.

Peace

[asdf]

That's a good grab even if the kid's been an angel throughout the contest.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Dead ball contact



Peace

I support the call.

This play is a candidate to escalate. (Based on team rivalry, attitude of the players, etc.) Left uncalled, you may see something else a few minutes later.

Frankly, from my history at camps, finals, etc, this is the type of call that will spring one official forward where others don't move on.

Great grab Rut!

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

And what was that? I don't see anything to make him react, other than the score and time left in the game.

I never said there was something in the video the crew missed. I was simply pointing out that calling this tech isn't "preventative officiating".

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

Jeff said earlier the T wound up being Blue 5's fifth foul. That being the case there were already at least four attempts at "prevention" prior to this.

I was talking about preventative officiating. Something like noticing the player is getting frustrated and giving him a quick word or alerting a coach or captain. Calling a foul is reactionary to something that already happened.

Originally Posted by Rich

Unless, of course, you think every such action like this is the officials fault -- in that case, I'd like to suggest altering your line of thinking. Or become a play-by-play announcer or coach.

LOL! Good one Rich.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I never said there was something in the video the crew missed. I was simply pointing out that calling this tech isn't "preventative officiating".

I was talking about preventative officiating. Something like noticing the player is getting frustrated and giving him a quick word or alerting a coach or captain. Calling a foul is reactionary to something that already happened.
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I will never say there is something we could not have done better, but it did not appear this was a situation where something was glaring from the situations in the game. Other than these being conference rivals and playing each other several times this year, it was a hard fought game. And I do not talk to captains to stop things, I talk to the players at hand. Actually these teams hardly even addressed us about any foul that was called as well. So not much to talk about honestly.

Peace

[bob jenkins]

Interesting (I guess) that this same team also had a player get a foul, followed by a T, in the previous game.

[jeremy341a]

Great grab on the two handed shove after the whistle. Way to have your partners back.

[Maineac]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

But I do believe your call was a good one especially because the L can't see the Blue player's actions from your side of the court.

Totally agree with this. That was a great job "staying alive while the ball is dead." I wonder how many fouls like this may get missed (myself included) because the "play is over" and we're moving on to the next play.