Dead ball contact (Video)

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

He put his elbow in his chest after he hesitated. Hard to see from that far away, but that is why I made that call. Secondly, if you see the very next play after that, the same player is fouled very hard just to stop the clock. The white coach reacted immediately after as if the opponent were trying to hurt his players after the T. It also must be noted that the player did not even complain. He knew what he was doing and was unemotional about the call which also fouled him out of the game. These teams had played 3 previous times with the team in white winning all those times. The big guy in white was not that uncoordinated or a flopper. But I appreciate the comments, just think the kid did that on purpose to give a little extra. I stand by that part of that judgment.

Peace

I saw the elbow. It's around the :09 mark at full-speed. It's the reason White #33 went sailing OOB. The wrestling for the ball was pretty much done by that point. Given the background info you had on the teams having that kid out of the game wasn't a bad thing.

I also have to say you've got some springs in those legs, Jeff

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

I also have to say you've got some springs in those legs, Jeff

I am not old man!!!

Well, getting there but you know what I mean.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am not old man!!!

I am. I had Catholic middle school state tournament games today. Scheduled for two games, and knowing that, worked my butt off for two games (full size high school court). After the second game, the site director asked us to stick around for a few minutes because the officials for the next game, the last game of the day, weren't at the site. After a phone call, we discovered that, due to a schedule snafu, there weren't officials scheduled for the last game of the day, so we stuck around to work the game. My partner (a young whipper-snapper) and I put in a great effort in that game (it's a state tournament game, no "relaxed" mechanics), but I will admit that I was getting tired, and sore, by the last period. It's tough to get old.

[Adam]

I agree with the call, Jeff.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Adam

I agree with the call, Jeff.

Me too. He clearly gave an extra and excessive shove.

[Bad Zebra]

Excellent piece of preventive officiating IMO. Blue player gives him the little extra that usually gets missed…and starts the simmering that could explode a couple plays later. Nice work JRut.

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

Excellent piece of preventive officiating IMO. Blue player gives him the little extra that usually gets missed…and starts the simmering that could explode a couple plays later. Nice work JRut.

That looked like the explosion to me. Real prevention would be getting whatever caused the blue player to react that way.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by AremRed

That looked like the explosion to me. Real prevention would be getting whatever caused the blue player to react that way.

And what was that? I don't see anything to make him react, other than the score and time left in the game.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by AremRed

That looked like the explosion to me. Real prevention would be getting whatever caused the blue player to react that way.

Jeff said earlier the T wound up being Blue 5's fifth foul. That being the case there were already at least four attempts at "prevention" prior to this.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by AremRed

That looked like the explosion to me. Real prevention would be getting whatever caused the blue player to react that way.

Jeff did an outstanding job here catching what needed to be caught.

Unless, of course, you think every such action like this is the officials fault -- in that case, I'd like to suggest altering your line of thinking. Or become a play-by-play announcer or coach.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AremRed

That looked like the explosion to me. Real prevention would be getting whatever caused the blue player to react that way.

The player that was fouled in this case was not a dirty player. He played hard but never did anything dirty or over the top. I am sure the white player was frustrating to play against because he was big and strong as big strong players often do to their opponents. But as stated he did not foul anyone hard or even knock anyone down while fouling. There was a play earlier when a player on the blue team threw himself into a stationary and vertical (same big player on the white team) player and was fell, but he did not slap at the ball or try to block the shot. He just stood there in a LGP and hardly was moved by the smaller player. That was the most contact this player was involved in during that game.

Now these teams did play 3 other times, so maybe there was some history in their game, but nothing in that game stood out. And for the record in this particular Regional, we had the white team in their previous game and this player fouled out. I actually had called a couple of rebounding or off ball fouls on this player and it did not involve this blue player that shoved this kid.

Now the entire game is online and on this site. You are more than welcome to watch the game and decide what other things could have been dealt with. I am willing to hear your thoughts if you wish to give them. I just cannot think of anything I witnessed that led to this in this play or other specific play.

Peace