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Sat Mar 08, 2014, 10:46am
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Verticality/2 Plays (video)
I was trying to figure out whether the L on both these plays was ball-watching and I think that might have been the case.
Regardless, it was consistent...at least as far as the defender was concerned since the same kid got dinged twice. Note...this is a High School game.
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Sat Mar 08, 2014, 10:58am
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Assuming no RA in effect, I have nothing on either play. The defenders arms are "naturally" vertical (as absolute straight over shoulders is un-natural). At three different camps last year, in the classroom work, and in some videos sent by supervisors this year, that kid IS within his vertical plan, IMHO. Both plays (to me) are no calls.
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Sat Mar 08, 2014, 11:53am
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Me too. I see verticality here.
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Sat Mar 08, 2014, 11:57am
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Sat Mar 08, 2014, 12:02pm
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Neither is a foul IMO. The RA would have nothing to do with it if these were not foul from my understanding.
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Sat Mar 08, 2014, 12:15pm
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Jeff is right. Even if there was an RA involved it wouldn't be in effect because the defender wasn't trying to draw a PC. He was trying to block the shot which is allowed.
One other thought: the importance of communicating as a crew at halftime. Play #1 happened in the first half, play #2 in the second. Obviously I don't know if play #1 was discussed at halftime but if it was I think play #2 is handled differently.
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Sat Mar 08, 2014, 01:05pm
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In the first play, it appears the defender was jumping across the path of the shooter given where he jumped from and where he landed. It could be that the lead didn't judge he had LGP (edit) because he was moving sideways after the shooter was airborne.
The 2nd play even looks a little bit like that, but to a lessor degree. I do think he actually got LGP because he got in the path before the shooter went up, even if he still had sideways movement, but it wasn't by much.
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Sat Mar 08, 2014, 11:55pm
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These plays AREN'T fouls.
An official who is deemed worthy of this assignment should be talented enough to know that these are not fouls.
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