Two plays, two great calls, one official (video)

[constable]

As goofy as it sounds in FIBA by rule that RA play would be a no-call.

[Toren]

In the NCAA-W game, is it the case that if you have a block, because the defense didn't establish LGP in time, you do NOT point to the RA?

In other words, if it's a block, it's a block. If it would have been a PC, but the player was in the RA, then you point to the RA?

I'm wondering cause in this case, she points to the RA, but as many have said this was a block regardless. So although I like how strong and commanding the call is, the point may not have been needed.

[Maineac]

Originally Posted by Toren

In the NCAA-W game, is it the case that if you have a block, because the defense didn't establish LGP in time, you do NOT point to the RA?

In other words, if it's a block, it's a block. If it would have been a PC, but the player was in the RA, then you point to the RA?

I'm wondering cause in this case, she points to the RA, but as many have said this was a block regardless. So although I like how strong and commanding the call is, the point may not have been needed.

If the foul occurred in the RA and the move to the basket started outside the LDB as this one did, you indicate such just as the official in the video did. Block signal followed by a point at the RA. The block outside the RA would just be a block signal.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Toren

In the NCAA-W game, is it the case that if you have a block, because the defense didn't establish LGP in time, you do NOT point to the RA?

In other words, if it's a block, it's a block. If it would have been a PC, but the player was in the RA, then you point to the RA?

I'm wondering cause in this case, she points to the RA, but as many have said this was a block regardless. So although I like how strong and commanding the call is, the point may not have been needed.

It is a communication tool, telling the Coach (and everyone else) that LGP, being "set", or any of that other stuff really doesn't matter because it is an RA play.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

It is a communication tool, telling the Coach (and everyone else) that LGP, being "set", or any of that other stuff really doesn't matter because it is an RA play.

Agree. Going with RA over a block takes most of the judgement out of the decision. They're in the RA or not and there isn't much that can be disputed about it.

[Toren]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Agree. Going with RA over a block takes most of the judgement out of the decision. They're in the RA or not and there isn't much that can be disputed about it.

In NCAA-M, if it's in the RA but it would have been a block outside the RA, then we don't point.

Just FYI.

So I was curious about the call in NCAA-W.

Thanks.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Toren

In the NCAA-W game, is it the case that if you have a block, because the defense didn't establish LGP in time, you do NOT point to the RA?

In other words, if it's a block, it's a block. If it would have been a PC, but the player was in the RA, then you point to the RA?

I'm wondering cause in this case, she points to the RA, but as many have said this was a block regardless. So although I like how strong and commanding the call is, the point may not have been needed.

The way an NCAA-W official explained it to me:

If it's a blocking foul regardless of being in the RA or not, there's no pointing to the RA

If it's a blocking foul solely because the defender is in the RA (as in the defender, absent of the RA, would have obtained LGP), you point to the RA. This tells everyone the play is a RA blocking foul and also gives your partners an opportunity to give any additional information if needed (as in hey the player originated in the LDB so the RA shouldn't come into play...or the defender was outside the RA).

So on this play, I don't think the the point was technically necessary as the defender was late anyway.

FYI, the mechanics above are the NBA mechanics for RA plays.

[Toren]

Originally Posted by APG

The way an NCAA-W official explained it to me:

If it's a blocking foul regardless of being in the RA or not, there's no pointing to the RA

If it's a blocking foul solely because the defender is in the RA (as in the defender, absent of the RA, would have obtained LGP), you point to the RA. This tells everyone the play is a RA blocking foul and also gives your partners an opportunity to give any additional information if needed (as in hey the player originated in the LDB so the RA shouldn't come into play...or the defender was outside the RA).

So on this play, I don't think the the point was technically necessary as the defender was late anyway.

FYI, the mechanics above are the NBA mechanics for RA plays.

So now I wonder if she would have ruled PC if it had been outside the RA?

Originally Posted by APG

If it's a blocking foul regardless of being in the RA or not, there's no pointing to the RA

As JetMet and Camron have alluded to, wouldn't it be an easier sell to point to the RA even if it was a block anyway?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by AremRed

As JetMet and Camron have alluded to, wouldn't it be an easier sell to point to the RA even if it was a block anyway?

If you have a block, regardless of the RA, you do not point. What if your partner comes in and says that the defender actually wasn't in the RA?

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

If you have a block, regardless of the RA, you do not point. What if your partner comes in and says that the defender actually wasn't in the RA?

Presumably I would only point to the RA if I was a 100% the defender was there.....which I would do anyway if it were a typical RA play.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Presumably I would only point to the RA if I was a 100% the defender was there.....which I would do anyway if it were a typical RA play.

The NCAA has posted plenty of videos where officials have incorrectly pointed to the RA.

[APG]

Originally Posted by AremRed

As JetMet and Camron have alluded to, wouldn't it be an easier sell to point to the RA even if it was a block anyway?

In this case, sure it doesn't hurt...

But as BNR alluded to, what happens if you're saying you have an RA block and your partner tells you the defender wasn't in the RA? Or your partner comes in and tells you the play started in the LDB?

[Toren]

Originally Posted by APG

In this case, sure it doesn't hurt...

But as BNR alluded to, what happens if you're saying you have an RA block and your partner tells you the defender wasn't in the RA? Or your partner comes in and tells you the play started in the LDB?

Glad I work on the men's side where all we have to worry about is blarges

See what I did there?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Toren

In the NCAA-W game, is it the case that if you have a block, because the defense didn't establish LGP in time, you do NOT point to the RA?

In other words, if it's a block, it's a block. If it would have been a PC, but the player was in the RA, then you point to the RA?

I'm wondering cause in this case, she points to the RA, but as many have said this was a block regardless. So although I like how strong and commanding the call is, the point may not have been needed.

Your first two paragraphs are supposed to be the proper mechanic. Maybe the lead had a charge, except for the arc. When I slow it down, I don't think it's an obvious block without the RA.