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Old Mon Mar 03, 2014, 09:36am
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Sounds like only a garden variety T for the shove during a dead ball.

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Old Mon Mar 03, 2014, 10:49am
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Without seeing the shove, if it was violent enough a flagrant T could definitely be justified. Otherwise, it's a T for the intentional dead ball foul.
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Old Mon Mar 03, 2014, 12:21pm
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Have you two had a ejection for a shove? Or does it have to be a fight or attempt swing to get a kid ejection for a single situation?

Thanks for your comments.
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Old Mon Mar 03, 2014, 12:26pm
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Have you two had a ejection for a shove?
Yes, once. It was an end of game situation when the winning team stole the ball and drove for an uncontested layup. A player who had been a problem child all game comes running in and gives him a violent two handed shove in the back while he's airborne.

I have not had a shove like yours in a game that put the opponent on the ground.

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Or does it have to be a fight or attempt swing to get a kid ejection for a single situation?
Not necessarily. You have to ask yourself if the act rises to the level of the definition of a flagrant foul or not. Fighting is probably the most common occurrence but by no means the only one.
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Old Mon Mar 03, 2014, 12:28pm
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Yes, once. It was an end of game situation when the winning team stole the ball and drove for an uncontested layup. A player who had been a problem child all game comes running in and gives him a violent two handed shove in the back while he's airborne.

I have not had a shove like yours in a game that put the opponent on the ground.



Not necessarily. You have to ask yourself if the act rises to the level of the definition of a flagrant foul or not. Fighting is probably the most common occurrence but by no means the only one.
It is just so rare to have a flagrant T I thinks its hard to define it outside a swing or taking the guy into the bleachers where everyone sees they are seriously hurt and need to be ejected.

Thanks Welpe for your feedback.
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Old Mon Mar 03, 2014, 01:41pm
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Have you two had a ejection for a shove? Or does it have to be a fight or attempt swing to get a kid ejection for a single situation?

Thanks for your comments.
A few years ago in a freshman boys game, we had a good sized linebacker playing for the visiting team. In the first quarter, he was behind an opponent going in for a layup and shoved him. I called the intentional.

Third quarter, he does it again, this time on a smaller player. My rookie partner went with the flagrant and it was the best call of the game.
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