Did Team A do anything wrong?

[Zoochy]

The horn sounds ending the 1st quarter. The Head Coach for Team A is disappointed in the performance of his team and wants to give yell at them. So he takes his team into the hallway so the fans can't see nor hear him. He gets the team back to the bench and onto the court before the start of the 2nd quarter. Violation? Foul? Nothing?

[bballref3966]

Yep.

Rule 10-5-5: The head coach shall not permit team members to leave the bench area and/or playing court for an unauthorized reason.

This would not qualify as an authorized reason IMO.

[Ref16]

Originally Posted by bballref3966

Yep.

Rule 10-5-5: The head coach shall not permit team members to leave the bench area and/or playing court for an unauthorized reason.

This would not qualify as an authorized reason IMO.

I agree 110%

[bainsey]

A step further: While the coach is in the hallway, you can hear him using profanity. Two whacks?

[Raymond]

Is there a rule that says the coach has to keep is team in the playing area during an intermission?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Is there a rule that says the coach has to keep is team in the playing area during an intermission?

I believe he is restricted to the TO area except at half time. I'll have to check tonight when I get home if no one else confirms this .

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Is there a rule that says the coach has to keep is team in the playing area during an intermission?

It depends on how one defines "unauthorized reason".

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

A step further: While the coach is in the hallway, you can hear him using profanity. Two whacks?

I'll just go with the one.

The second will likely come on its own when you let him know about the first.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

.. not even for halftime intermission?

Another poorly written rule change not taking into account all the details, it seems.

My take, then:
The intent matters. Obviously, the committee wasn't trying to stop teams from going to the locker rooms at half time, so that would be an "authorized reason." A coach leaving the bench during a quarter intermission is different, though.

So, a right after they made this change, I had a coach have his players run sprints after the first quarter. I didn't think about it until it was practically over with, but decided I should have stopped him by rule. Maybe I was accidentally right?

Where is the restriction for timeouts laid out? Does that include the time following the odd-numbered quarters?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Timeouts?

Originally Posted by Adam

Where is the restriction for timeouts laid out?

1-13-3: The time-out area shall be the area inside an imaginary rectangle formed by the boundaries of the sideline (including the bench), end line, and an imaginary line extended from the free-throw lane line nearest the bench area meeting an imaginary line extended from the coaching-box line.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Adam

... rule change not taking into account all the details ... right after they made this change.

What exactly is this change that you speak of? What's the before, and what's the after?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Adam

A coach leaving the bench during a quarter intermission is different?

Where in the rules/caseplays does it say that, and where does it say that the halftime intermission is an authorized reason, while the other two intermissions are unauthorized reasons?

I guess that tradition, and common sense, trump the rules, or lack of rules, in this case.

[billyu2]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Where in the rules/caseplays does it say that, and where does it say that the halftime intermission is an authorized reason, while the other two intermissions are unauthorized reasons?

I guess that tradition, and common sense, trump the rules, or lack of rules, in this case.

Casebook 10.4.1B certainly implies that teams going to their dressing rooms at halftime is authorized. Just don't disrespect the officials while doing so. As for the coach taking his team out in the hall after the first quarter, theoretically, I guess he could say he just wanted his players to be able to remove their jerseys (without being penalized: 10.4.1C) to cool off a bit while also to hear some "choice" words of instruction.

[Rob1968]

In several of our discussions, here on the forum, and elsewhere, the understanding that - "If it isn't prohibited, it must be legal." - has been used for justification for points not specifically covered by the written rules.

2-4-4 REFEREE'S PREGAME DUTIES states "The referee shall be responsible for having each team notified three minutes before each half is to begin."

Case Book 2.4.4 infers that the team returning to the dressing room is permitted, with the stipulation that, having been notified three minutes prior to the start of the game, if the team delays the start by more than one minute, with "no excusable reason" a technical foul is charged, with reference to 10-1-5a.

That inference is also used regarding the team "returning to its dressing room" at halftime.

10-1-5b refers to the RoP procedure, as it pertains to a "time-out or intermission between quarters". There is no reference to where the teams must be, during the intermission between quarters, but the designation of a "time-out area" is strong inference that they are to spend a time-out in the designated area.

So, a Technical foul assessed to a team, for not being ready to start a 2nd or 4th quarter would be governed by the RoP procedure, with no consideration as to where the team must spend the intermission between the quarters.
As irregular as it may be, a team going out into the hallway during the intermission between quarters, and not delaying the start of the subsequent quarter, seems not to be prohibited.
JMHO - as wordy (sp) as it may be . . .

[eyezen]

Seems like another good reason to go to halves.