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Zoochy Fri Feb 28, 2014 09:37pm

Did Team A do anything wrong?
 
The horn sounds ending the 1st quarter. The Head Coach for Team A is disappointed in the performance of his team and wants to give yell at them. So he takes his team into the hallway so the fans can't see nor hear him. He gets the team back to the bench and onto the court before the start of the 2nd quarter. Violation? Foul? :confused: Nothing?

bballref3966 Fri Feb 28, 2014 09:44pm

Yep.

Rule 10-5-5: The head coach shall not permit team members to leave the bench area and/or playing court for an unauthorized reason.

This would not qualify as an authorized reason IMO.

Ref16 Fri Feb 28, 2014 10:46pm

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Originally Posted by bballref3966 (Post 925086)
Yep.

Rule 10-5-5: The head coach shall not permit team members to leave the bench area and/or playing court for an unauthorized reason.

This would not qualify as an authorized reason IMO.

I agree 110%

bainsey Sat Mar 01, 2014 12:13pm

A step further: While the coach is in the hallway, you can hear him using profanity. Two whacks?

Raymond Sat Mar 01, 2014 12:21pm

Is there a rule that says the coach has to keep is team in the playing area during an intermission?

Adam Sat Mar 01, 2014 12:38pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 925112)
Is there a rule that says the coach has to keep is team in the playing area during an intermission?

I believe he is restricted to the TO area except at half time. I'll have to check tonight when I get home if no one else confirms this .

Adam Sat Mar 01, 2014 12:39pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 925111)
A step further: While the coach is in the hallway, you can hear him using profanity. Two whacks?

I'll just go with the one.

The second will likely come on its own when you let him know about the first.

BillyMac Sat Mar 01, 2014 12:48pm

It Depends On What The Meaning Of The Words Is Is (Bill Clinton) ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 925112)
Is there a rule that says the coach has to keep is team in the playing area during an intermission?

It depends on how one defines "unauthorized reason".

Raymond Sat Mar 01, 2014 01:07pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 925114)
I believe he is restricted to the TO area except at half time. I'll have to check tonight when I get home if no one else confirms this .

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 925118)
It depends on how one defines "unauthorized reason".

I'm more looking for what the artist formerly known as Snaqwells is referring to, when a team is allowed to leave bench area.

BillyMac Sat Mar 01, 2014 01:17pm

Pennsylvania Of The West ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 925120)
I'm more looking for what the artist formerly known as Snaqwells is referring to, when a team is allowed to leave bench area.

I'm sure that we can all agree that the halftime intermission would be one of those "authorized" times. We also know, based on a recent interpretation, that the team is not allowed to leave the bench area with no time on the clock in the second period when free throws are to be taken by the opponent before halftime.

Any other authorized reason? As I've said before, pretend that I'm from Missouri.

Raymond Sat Mar 01, 2014 01:32pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 925121)
I'm sure that we can all agree that the halftime intermission would be one of those "authorized" times. We also know, based on a recent interpretation, that the team is not allowed to leave the bench area with no time on the clock in the second period when free throws are to be taken by the opponent before halftime.

Any other authorized reason? As I've said before, pretend that I'm from Missouri.

Halftime is an intermission. The 1 minute period between the 1st & 2nd/3rd & 4th quarter is an intermission. Are teams allowed to leave the bench area during all intermissions?

I'm not asking about "authorized reasons", I'm asking about the timeframes teams are allowed to leave the bench area.

BillyMac Sat Mar 01, 2014 01:36pm

Who's Going To Step Up ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 925122)
Are teams allowed to leave the bench area during all intermissions?

Good question.

I've been perusing the rules, and caseplays, and I can't find any language that states that they are allowed to leave the bench area during the halftime intermission. Can the halftime intermission be an authorized reason because of tradition, with no specific rule reference?

BillyMac Sat Mar 01, 2014 01:56pm

Tradition (Fiddler On The Roof) ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 925122)
I'm not asking about "authorized reasons", I'm asking about the time frames teams are allowed to leave the bench area.

You have to ask about "authorized reasons", there's no way around it, because that's the only rule reference, that I can find, that allows teams to leave the bench area.

So the question, essentially, becomes, what are these authorized reasons, and I cannot find any rule reference to a single authorized reason, not even the halftime intermission. But we let them leave anyway. Why?

The scene opens in a small, rural, high school gymnasium, poorly lighted, half filled with spectators. The halftime buzzer sounds. Coach, wearing a plaid sports jacket, holding a rolled up game program: "Hey Mr. BillyMac. Does my team have your permission to leave the bench area and go to the locker room for our halftime intermission meeting?" BillyMac: "Just let me look through my handy, pocket sized, rulebook coach. I don't see a list of authorized reasons, nor do I see such a list in my handy, pocket sized, casebook, so, no, you can't leave".

Yeah? Like that's really going to happen, because if it did, I would never work another game for the rest of my life.

Now let's twist the situation around for one of the other two intermissions. Now it becomes a more realistic scene, maybe with an Academy Award winning performance by BillyMac. I could just see it now: "I'd like to thank all the little people, like the point guards, who made this possible".

Adam Sat Mar 01, 2014 02:24pm

Check rule 10 where it prohibits the coach from taking his team away from the bench area. My book is at home, and I'm at work, so I can't check. I was thinking it said "except half time", but I could be way off.

frezer11 Sat Mar 01, 2014 03:02pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 925125)
Check rule 10 where it prohibits the coach from taking his team away from the bench area. My book is at home, and I'm at work, so I can't check. I was thinking it said "except half time", but I could be way off.

10.5.5:

"The head coach shall not permit team members to leave the bench area and/or playing court for an unauthorized reason."

No mention of exceptions.


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