Do you guess?

[twocentsworth]

Don't. Ever. Guess.....ever.

[Welpe]

I take this philosophy from football but I think it applies in basketball also.

It is better to miss a foul than to incorrectly call one that isn't there. Don't guess.

Although the OP's play is across the court from T (new Lead), new Trail should have a better angle and could come get this.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

Don't. Ever. Guess.....ever.

Easy to say.

At times, especially working 2-person, I do not have the look I would really like to have. I'm not going to pass on something I'm 95% certain is a foul only because I don't have the angle I would like in a perfect world.

Have I called trips where I didn't specifically see a leg hit a leg? Yes, I have. Has it bitten me in the behind? Not yet.

Maybe I'm wrong in calling this a "guess." Is it the look I'd like to have? No. Do I feel I have enough pieces of the puzzle to make the picture? Yes.

[twocentsworth]

Originally Posted by Rich

Easy to say.

At times, especially working 2-person, I do not have the look I would really like to have. I'm not going to pass on something I'm 95% certain is a foul only because I don't have the angle I would like in a perfect world.

Have I called trips where I didn't specifically see a leg hit a leg? Yes, I have. Has it bitten me in the behind? Not yet.

Maybe I'm wrong in calling this a "guess." Is it the look I'd like to have? No. Do I feel I have enough pieces of the puzzle to make the picture? Yes.

On April 5, 2010, Duke defeated Butler 61-59 in the NCAA Championship Game (remember the Butler half-cout shot that almost went in?). NCAA-M Officiating "Boss" John Adams reviewed the game tape and made some interesting discoveries:
1) when the officials had a whistle, their call accuracy was 90%
2) when they did not have a whistle, their call accuracy was 50%
3) he found that the reason why the crew of John Cahill, Tom Eades, & Ted Valentine did not blow their whistle on those specific plays was because THEY COULD NOT CLEARLY SEE THE PLAY (they simply weren't going to guess).

As a result, Adams has became convinced that:
A) the best officials HAVE to be mobile enough to be in position to see the plays (older, heavier, slower, etc. officials have seen a dramatic decrease in their assignments).
b) when you guess, you are really only 50% right.

Rich, if you want to classify 95% sure as a "guess", go ahead...I don't think that is what the thread is referring to.....

[deecee]

In 2 man as the trail you have to move towards the center of the court to get an angle at plays in your primary on the opposite side of the court. There are times I have found myself in the half court circle.

[loners4me]

Originally Posted by deecee

In 2 man as the trail you have to move towards the center of the court to get an angle at plays in your primary on the opposite side of the court. There are times I have found myself in the half court circle.

I work with a guy like this. I sometimes wonder if he's looking to flex??? I can usually get a good angle working down or backing up as the T. He's gotten trapped there before on a turnover...

[deecee]

Originally Posted by loners4me

I work with a guy like this. I sometimes wonder if he's looking to flex??? I can usually get a good angle working down or backing up as the T. He's gotten trapped there before on a turnover...

Sh!t happens. It's what you get when you try and officiate a competitive game with 2 officials. I've been caught too, but what you gonna do?

[loners4me]

Agreed. Its 2 man. Do what works for ya!

[Rich]

Originally Posted by loners4me

I work with a guy like this. I sometimes wonder if he's looking to flex??? I can usually get a good angle working down or backing up as the T. He's gotten trapped there before on a turnover...

I'll work over as far as I need to go. The farther across the court I go, the more I move back. Usually if I'm in the center circle or farther, I'm in the backcourt.

I've gotten caught once or twice this season and have had to let players pass me. Seems like a reasonable trade-off.

[BatteryPowered]

Originally Posted by deecee

In 2 man as the trail you have to move towards the center of the court to get an angle at plays in your primary on the opposite side of the court. There are times I have found myself in the half court circle.

I haven't had to go quite that far...but I agree. Unfortunately it seems every time I have had to do that in a boys game there is a quick change in direction and I find myself in the middle of a lot of really fast young men coming right at me. I just brace for impact while hoping they see me soon enough...then bust it as much as possible to get a somewhat decent view of things at the other end.

Only once did someone not see me soon enough. I got up quickly, but it took a bit for me to back to normal. That guy was solid as a rock.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by BatteryPowered

Only once did someone not see me soon enough. I got up quickly, but it took a bit for me to back to normal. That guy was solid as a rock.

In keeping with NCAA this year, you called a block on yourself, correct?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Welpe

In keeping with NCAA this year, you called a block on yourself, correct?

Shouldn't have braced himself.

"Take it like a man"

Originally Posted by deecee

In 2 man as the trail you have to move towards the center of the court to get an angle at plays in your primary on the opposite side of the court. There are times I have found myself in the half court circle.

Originally Posted by BatteryPowered

I haven't had to go quite that far...but I agree. Unfortunately it seems every time I have had to do that in a boys game there is a quick change in direction and I find myself in the middle of a lot of really fast young men coming right at me.

I was told by two very experienced officials that I was "painting the logo" when I was working Trail in 2 man. They suggested moving into the backcourt for a better angle instead of coming so far onto the floor. They said it is better to be further away from play, but just move back to get the angle.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I was told by two very experienced officials that I was "painting the logo" when I was working Trail in 2 man. They suggested moving into the backcourt for a better angle instead of coming so far onto the floor. They said it is better to be further away from play, but just move back to get the angle.

I'm pretty experienced and that sounds like nonsense.