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Old Thu Feb 20, 2014, 11:14pm
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Correct Sequence?

A1 is intentionally fouled in the act of shooting, and makes the shot. Coach B is T'd up before any subsequent free throws. The officials give A1 two free throws for the intentional foul, two for the technical, and Team A the ball out of bounds.

Was that correct? There was some question as to whether or not it should only be one free throw for the intentional because the basket counted.
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Old Thu Feb 20, 2014, 11:21pm
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An intentional foul is always two shots.

Yes, correct sequence, assuming Team A got the ball at the division line (you just said "out of bounds").
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Old Thu Feb 20, 2014, 11:23pm
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2 shots is correct. 4.19.3 Situation A
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Old Thu Feb 20, 2014, 11:24pm
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An intentional foul is always two shots.

Yes, correct sequence, assuming Team A got the ball at the division line (you just said "out of bounds").
Sorry. Yes, the ball came in at the division line.
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Old Thu Feb 20, 2014, 11:27pm
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An intentional foul is always two shots.

Yes, correct sequence, assuming Team A got the ball at the division line (you just said "out of bounds").
Actually it is always at least 2 shots. There is one case it could be 3 shots (missed three point shot).

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Old Thu Feb 20, 2014, 11:39pm
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Actually it is always at least 2 shots. There is one case it could be 3 shots (missed three point shot).

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So on a made three point shot, it would still be two shots then?
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Old Thu Feb 20, 2014, 11:47pm
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Actually it is always at least 2 shots. There is one case it could be 3 shots (missed three point shot).

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Old Thu Feb 20, 2014, 11:48pm
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Was that correct? There was some question as to whether or not it should only be one free throw for the intentional because the basket counted.
Why is there a question about that? Where have these questioners seen it written that there is ever only 1 shot after an intentional foul?

Doesn't anybody in these discussions ever carry a rule book? I guess that is a rhetorical question since it's obvious no one in that discussion seems to have ever cracked a rule book in regards to this subject.

OK, rant over.
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Old Thu Feb 20, 2014, 11:51pm
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So on a made three point shot, it would still be two shots then?
No, on a made 3-point shot, and the penalty for a IF is 4 free throws and the offended team gets to keep the ball until they score another basket.
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Old Thu Feb 20, 2014, 11:53pm
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Why is there a question about that? Where have these questioners seen it written that there is ever only 1 shot after an intentional foul?

Doesn't anybody in these discussions ever carry a rule book? I guess that is a rhetorical question since it's obvious no one in that discussion seems to have ever cracked a rule book in regards to this subject.

OK, rant over.

Somebody wrote the rules down and actually published them in book format? Are there copies readily available, or do you have to know someone to get one?
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Old Thu Feb 20, 2014, 11:54pm
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Somebody wrote the rules down and actually published them in book format? Are there copies readily available, or do you have to know someone to get one?
Pls pm me PDF. Thx
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Old Thu Feb 20, 2014, 11:55pm
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Why is there a question about that? Where have these questioners seen it written that there is ever only 1 shot after an intentional foul?

Doesn't anybody in these discussions ever carry a rule book? I guess that is a rhetorical question since it's obvious no one in that discussion seems to have ever cracked a rule book in regards to this subject.

OK, rant over.
I'm just happy when there isn't someone who chimes in that it should be three shots: 2 for the intentional and 1 for the "and one."
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The officials give A1 two free throws for the intentional foul, two for the technical ...
A1 did not have to take the two free throws for the technical foul. Any Team A player, or eligible substitute, could have shot these two free throws.
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Old Fri Feb 21, 2014, 07:30am
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Right, I know that. A1 is a particularly good FT shooter, so he would have likely been picked by coach to shoot the techs anyway
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Old Fri Feb 21, 2014, 01:45pm
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Doesn't anybody in these discussions ever carry a rule book? I guess that is a rhetorical question since it's obvious no one in that discussion seems to have ever cracked a rule book in regards to this subject.

OK, rant over.
Can't some people ignore threads they feel haven't been properly researched first by the OP? As a less experienced basketball ref, I find many of them helpful even if I know the rule as it helps me lock it in. And often there are "this case is clear, but what about if ..." and there is a good discussion that is also helpful.

Just one guy's opinion, but seems like as officials we should be allowed to ask each other dumb questions. I'm a very experienced baseball umpire and I'm always glad if other umps ask me even simple questions if it helps them improve.
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