Happened at Half, What do you do?

[walt]

This came up at our recent association meeting. At one of the HS gyms, probably like many, if not most, around the country, two of our officials were in a coach's office behind closed doors in the home team's locker room. According to the officials, the home team's HC was saying loud enough for them to hear things like "these two officials suck" and "that they have no idea what they are doing" and "we know if it comes to it they will get it wrong" etc. The officials did not assess a T because the "R" on the game said they had to treat the half time situation just as if they were in a separate facility even though they were in the same locker room. He felt that the closed door made it a separate area. The coach was whacked later in the game.

Surprisingly to me, our association was split on this. I believe because the coach knew they were in there and spoke loud enough for them to hear him, he gets the T for his comments in the locker room. Others agreed with the R's rationale. What say you?

[JRutledge]

Unless there is an interpretation from someone in your state or local association, then I really do not see the benefit of giving a T in that situation.

Now if I knew this, the coach would be on thin ice. I would not tolerate many comments from that coach moving forward. I would not make an issue out of it. I would not mention it to him or anyone else. I would just not give him the benefit of the doubt when the game continued. And I am not surprised there was a T later.

This fits into the category of "Silence cannot be misquoted." Once you get the genie out of the bottle, then you subject yourself to what others might think or say. And if a coach is too stupid to not be overhead and he is the home coach, it is his fault when it is held against him/her later.

Peace

[JetMetFan]

I agree with Jeff (is there a full moon? )

If he'd said those things to you while you're on the way to your dressing area that's one thing. He said it in his office so you should leave it alone but his leash for the 2nd half becomes so short he'll need a microscope to see it.

He's doing that for a reason since he knows you and your partner can hear him. It's similar to when a HC says something about you to his AC or other bench personnel while you're right in front of him then when you turn around he says, "I wasn't talking to you." If someone wants to play that game that's fine but he should be prepared to deal with the consequences of his actions.

[HokiePaul]

I don't think there is any justification for giving a T here as there is nothing that suggests the the officials have jurisdiction over the locker room. The coach can have whatever opinion he wants while in the locker room at half time.

Other than be more aware of the coaches actions in the second half, I think you just ignore. If I overheard anything (related to the refs or not) from the locker room that was so extreme that it could not be ignored, then I would address it with the Athletic Dept (through my association) after the game. Again, I don't see any authority to penalize what is overheard from inside the locker room.

[Rich]

I'd leave it alone at the time, but the location of our dressing area and the loud comments directed our way would go into any report I'd file later.

The coach would have no rope in the second half. I'd whack him on the FIRST opportunity. He'd know why, too, so no explanation would be needed, either.

I disagree with the "no jurisdiction" comment, but I agree that a locker room confrontation is something I'm not interested in pursuing.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Rich

I'd leave it alone at the time, but the location of our dressing area and the loud comments directed our way would go into any report I'd file later.

The coach would have no rope in the second half. I'd whack him on the FIRST opportunity. He'd know why, too, so no explanation would be needed, either.

I disagree with the "no jurisdiction" comment, but I agree that a locker room confrontation is something I'm not interested in pursuing.

I agree with this.

Put me down as one who thinks we can issue a T here but I think it is best to handle it this way.

The coach will get no quarter in the second half. He's used up all of his goodwill with that little stunt.

[Adam]

And I also think, for the record, his players will get little rope as well. I'm thinking this through, though.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

.... It's similar to when a HC says something about you to his AC or other bench personnel while you're right in front of him then when you turn around he says, "I wasn't talking to you."....

I haven't T'd many HC's in my career, but I would say about 1/2 of them started with this scenario.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

He's doing that for a reason since he knows you and your partner can hear him. It's similar to when a HC says something about you to his AC or other bench personnel while you're right in front of him then when you turn around he says, "I wasn't talking to you." If someone wants to play that game that's fine but he should be prepared to deal with the consequences of his actions.

Funny how adults like to play these childish games.

[bob jenkins]

On the other side of the coin, there was the instance where officials got disciplined for making comments in the dressing room after the game that were overheard by someone at the school (maybe an assistant coach).

[j51969]

None of this would ever hurt my feelings. Maybe venting (although inappropriate as if may be) might be just what this a-hole needs to get it out of his system. Your there to do a job; not to be popular. Be fair, impartial, and officiate what is in front of you. The rest will take care of itself. Like the T this guy eventually received later on in the game.

[deecee]

I agree with with what has been said so far. If it's directly to you in the hallway, or dressing room etc. Then T away. Heck you could even toss him. But in a conversation to his kids I wouldn't T. But in the second half his rope would be evaporated.