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-   -   Video request: Block/Charge BYU at St. Mary's 5:45 remaining in first half. (https://forum.officiating.com/basketball/97286-video-request-block-charge-byu-st-marys-5-45-remaining-first-half.html)

JRutledge Mon Feb 17, 2014 08:04pm

This should have been easy.

Peace

Raymond Mon Feb 17, 2014 08:05pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 923365)
That is fine, but there shouldn't have even been even the smallest doubt on this one.

Agreed. I try to bring up these type of plays in my college pre-games to point out that it is still possible for defenders to draw charges from airborne shooters.

I personally feel way too many blocks have been called this season.

johnny d Mon Feb 17, 2014 09:13pm

By making it so officials call 80% or more of these plays blocks, the powers that be have begun the process of getting teams to realize there is no benefit to playing defense that close to the basket. Scoring and viewership will rise, and everybody will be happy. Maybe, BNR, you did not get that memo!:D

Toren Mon Feb 17, 2014 09:27pm

Primary defenders drawing charges = same as years before

Secondary defenders drawing charges = way down

Learn to block shots or get out of the way.

Camron Rust Mon Feb 17, 2014 10:41pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toren (Post 923372)
Primary defenders drawing charges = same as years before

Secondary defenders drawing charges = way down

Can't agree with that. I've seen primary defenders get called for a lot more blocks as well.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Toren (Post 923372)
Learn to block shots or get out of the way.

Huh? Isn't the essence of defense preventing the opponent from going where they want to go?

onetime1 Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:00pm

It looks like the offensive player just runs right over the defense. I would go PC on this play.

JetMetFan Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:54am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toren (Post 923372)
Learn to block shots or get out of the way.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 923380)
Huh? Isn't the essence of defense preventing the opponent from going where they want to go?

Camron, I agree with you but Toren isn't far off based on some of the calls we've seen/posted. It reminds me of a comment attributed to Calipari at the start of the season. He apparently told his kids if they don't block the shot just get out of the way.

Adam Tue Feb 18, 2014 09:06am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toren (Post 923372)
Learn to block shots or get out of the way.

Which is, frankly, a stupid concept for defense. Most defenders are taught to keep their feet and get into a position to box out (talented shot blockers are the exception, not the rule). Jumpy would-be-shot-blockers are the first guys to get out of position in the paint.

Rich Tue Feb 18, 2014 10:13am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toren (Post 923372)
Primary defenders drawing charges = same as years before

Secondary defenders drawing charges = way down

Learn to block shots or get out of the way.

I can only hope that this changes. Again.

zm1283 Tue Feb 18, 2014 10:25am

The NCAA needs to change the rule back to what it was before. They probably won't do that, but they need to. There is more inconsistency now than ever before on these plays, and it's their own fault.

I've learned that the NCAA can't just leave well enough alone and they have to constantly tinker with things that aren't broken.

ballgame99 Tue Feb 18, 2014 10:30am

Wow. As a basketball official you don't get PCs handed to you on a platter very often. That was one of them.

JetMetFan Tue Feb 18, 2014 10:39am

Quote:

Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 923434)
The NCAA needs to change the rule back to what it was before. They probably won't do that, but they need to. There is more inconsistency now than ever before on these plays, and it's their own fault.

I've learned that the NCAA can't just leave well enough alone and they have to constantly tinker with things that aren't broken.

First, it's NCAAM. Don't blame my side for this ;)

Second, I think the worst part of the rule change is it has otherwise capable officials thinking too much. I worked Part I of an NCAAW/NCAAM DH over the weekend. The officials for the men's game were in a serious discussion about plays like this as they headed out to the court. It was more of a panicked discussion like, "I'm not sure how to call these things." That's not a good feeling in mid-February.

Welpe Tue Feb 18, 2014 10:53am

Quote:

Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 923434)
I've learned that the NCAA can't just leave well enough alone and they have to constantly tinker with things that aren't broken.

They do this in football, too.

At times NFHS is too slow to change and I think the NCAA embraces change just for the sake of change.

zm1283 Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 923441)
They do this in football, too.

At times NFHS is too slow to change and I think the NCAA embraces change just for the sake of change.

I figured they probably did.

It seems like they change more mechanics back and forth in baseball than rules. They have switched mechanics one year then gone back to the old way several times recently with no explanation....just because.

rockyroad Tue Feb 18, 2014 01:16pm

This play really isn't even a "rule discussion" type of play. The new rule wording really shouldn't have even come into play here. This is a really easy PC call, and I cannot think of any reason why this official went block (other than the fact that we all blow a call every now and then).


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