Fight Situation Question

[rekent]

College Rec League game. How would you adjudicate this scenario?

A1 driver for a layup, B1 attempts to block the shot but fouls A1, making contact to the back of A1's head with his elbow and A1's arm with his hand. A foul is called, but A1 lands on the floor and immediately turns, shoving B1 around the ribcage area.

B1 is displaced backwards but does not immediately retaliate. Approximately 3-5 seconds later, B1 comes back and shoves A1 high in the chest/low neck area. A1 again shoves B1, this time high around the neck. No players leave the bench areas and A2-A5 and B2-B5 restrain their respective teammates only and do not escalate.

After assessing B1 with the initial foul on the shot, would you:

1. Asses A1 with a technical foul for the initial push. Asses B1 with a flagrant technical for the shove to the neck area. Asses A1 with a flagrant technical for his second shove, this time to the neck area, judging the initial shove and the two subsequent shoves to be separate events because B1 stepped away without a spontaneous act for a measurable amount of time and waited until his teammates released him.

or, 2. Asses A1 and B1 with offsetting flagrant technicals, judging all activity to be part of one situation.

[bob jenkins]

I'd vote for #2.

[Rnusinov]

College "wreck" league..both get flagrant 2s and hopefully they both have to sit the next game also.

[rekent]

Originally Posted by Rnusinov

College "wreck" league..both get flagrant 2s and hopefully they both have to sit the next game also.

Forgetting the fact that it is rec league, simply referring to Fed rules, same result?

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I'd vote for #2.

I am with bob. First shove that is a tech gets upgraded to flagrant, both are buh-by. Free throws by the sub and resume from there.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by rekent

Forgetting the fact that it is rec league, simply referring to Fed rules, same result?

Yes.

Originally Posted by rekent

B1 is displaced backwards but does not immediately retaliate. Approximately 3-5 seconds later, B1 comes back and shoves A1 high in the chest/low neck area.

If this is happening, I am not doing my job correctly. If there is a shove worthy of a technical foul, I am doing everything in my power to get those two players as far from each other as possible.

[Rob1968]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I'd vote for #2.

Always listen to Bob!

[BryanV21]

I want to make sure I'd get this right if it were me...

1. Foul on B1.

2. Flagrant Technical on A1 for the push, which is a fighting act. This is an ejection.

3. Flagrant Technical on B1 for the push, which is a fighting act. This is an ejection.

4. The techs offset each other. When we're ready to move on, the substitute for A1 (who was one of the players ejected) shoots the free throws and things then go on like normal.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I'd vote for #2.

Amen. It's rec ball. They start shoving each other, kick 'em out. If they stay in they're just going to be knuckleheads again later on.