Had a 1st last night

[REFANDUMP]

Working a girls varsity game as U1 in a 3 person crew. We got ready to start the game and the visiting team players outside the jump circle start running counterclockwise in a circle about 6' outside the jump circle. We were startled for a minute waiting for them to set, and the coach started hollering "let's go". We tossed the ball, they won the tap and off we went.
After the game, we questioned whether this was legal or not, but determined it was, as all players were not within 3' of the circle. Has anyone else seen this before, and do you agree that this is legal ??

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by REFANDUMP

...After the game, we questioned whether this was legal or not, but determined it was, as all players were not within 3' of the circle. Has anyone else seen this before, and do you agree that this is legal ??

If you guys agreed on the bolded part, what is there that would make it illegal?

[REFANDUMP]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

If you guys agreed on the bolded part, what is there that would make it illegal?

Nothing that we could figure. Just wanted input as to if we may have overlooked something.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by REFANDUMP

The visiting team players outside the jump circle start running counterclockwise in a circle about 6' outside the jump circle. We were startled for a minute waiting for them to set ...

Why not just say, "Hold your spots."? That should have stopped them in their tracks. I've heard many other officials say that. I don't know why they say it, they just do. Kind of like saying, "Let it hit the rim", before a free throw.

[HokiePaul]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Why not just say, "Hold your spots."? That should have stopped them in their tracks. I've heard many other officials say that. I don't know why they say it, they just do. Kind of like saying, "Let it hit the rim", before a free throw.

I usually say "pick a spot" rather than "hold your spots" as it is technically more correct. I'm saying this to give notice that I am ready to toss the ball and the jump ball restrictions are in place. After "picking a spot", any legal movement is permitted.

Regarding "Let it hit the rim" ... I almost never say anything, but if I feel like a reminder is needed, I simply say "Let it hit". "Let it hit the rim" in incorrect as the ball hitting the backboard would end the restrictions.

Regarding the original post ... I came up two possible reasons why this could be illegal.
1) Are they changing positions around the center restraining circle? [Anyone know of a case play/definition that explains clarified what "around the restraining circle means? Is it 3 feet as in the OP? I can't find it.]
2) Are they taking a position in an occupied space?

[BatteryPowered]

What about 6-3-2(b)?

When discussing the administration of a Jump-ball it states that when the official is ready and until the ball is tossed, nonjumpers shall not ( a ) Move onto the center restraining circle ( b ) Change position around the center restraining circle.

Sounds like 4 players were changing positions to me.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BatteryPowered

What about 6-3-2(b)?

When discussing the administration of a Jump-ball it states that when the official is ready and until the ball is tossed, nonjumpers shall not ( a ) Move onto the center restraining circle ( b ) Change position around the center restraining circle.

Sounds like 4 players were changing positions to me.

Not around the circle they weren't.

[BatteryPowered]

Originally Posted by Adam

Not around the circle they weren't.

My bad...misread the situation.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BatteryPowered

What about 6-3-2(b)?

When discussing the administration of a Jump-ball it states that when the official is ready and until the ball is tossed, nonjumpers shall not ( a ) Move onto the center restraining circle ( b ) Change position around the center restraining circle.

Sounds like 4 players were changing positions to me.

They were not changing positions "around the center restraining circle" because they were more than three feet from the center restraining circle.

MTD, Sr.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

I usually say "pick a spot" rather than "hold your spots" as it is technically more correct.

Is it? How about the players ten feet away from the circle? Do they have to pick a spot, or can they just keep running around?

I say nothing. The faster I throw the ball up the fewer problems there are. Game on.

[HokiePaul]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Is it? How about the players ten feet away from the circle? Do they have to pick a spot, or can they just keep running around?

I think so... There is no time component to that ststement. Although after thinking about it, I like "find a spot" better. Telling someone to pick/find a spot is sort of meaningless. They can "pick/find" the spot that they are currently in -- everyone is always on a spot on the floor-- and then move legally. I'm accomplishing the goal of administering the toss without implying a restriction that doesn't exist as "Hold your spot" does.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

Telling someone to pick/find a spot is sort of meaningless.

Agree. So why say anything that's meaningless? Just do what Adam, and AremRed do:

Originally Posted by Adam

I don't say anything. I blow the whistle, step in, and toss the ball after I spit my whistle out.

Originally Posted by AremRed

I say nothing. The faster I throw to ball up the fewer problems there are. Game on.

[PG_Ref]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

I usually say "pick a spot" rather than "hold your spots" as it is technically more correct. I'm saying this to give notice that I am ready to toss the ball and the jump ball restrictions are in place. After "picking a spot", any legal movement is permitted.

Regarding "Let it hit the rim" ... I almost never say anything, but if I feel like a reminder is needed, I simply say "Let it hit". "Let it hit the rim" in incorrect as the ball hitting the backboard would end the restrictions.

Regarding the original post ... I came up two possible reasons why this could be illegal.
1) Are they changing positions around the center restraining circle? [Anyone know of a case play/definition that explains clarified what "around the restraining circle means? Is it 3 feet as in the OP? I can't find it.]
2) Are they taking a position in an occupied space?

caseplay:


6.3.2 SITUATION:

The referee is ready to toss the ball to start the game. (a) A1 who was on the center restraining circle backs off; (b) B1 moves onto the *restraining circle into an unoccupied spot; (c) B2 moves off the circle and goes behind A2 and is within 3 feet of the circle; or (d) B3 moves off the circle about 5 feet and moves around behind A3 and A4 who are occupying spaces on the *circle.

RULING: Legal in (a) and (d), but a violation in both (b) and (c). Moving off the restraining circle in (a), and around the circle when more than 3 feet away as in (d), is permissible. It is a violation to move onto the circle as in (b), until the ball leaves the official's hand, or into an occupied space as in (c), until the ball is touched. The violation by B results in a throw-in for Team A. (4-3)

[constable]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

I usually say "pick a spot" rather than "hold your spots" as it is technically more correct. I'm saying this to give notice that I am ready to toss the ball and the jump ball restrictions are in place. After "picking a spot", any legal movement is permitted.

Regarding "Let it hit the rim" ... I almost never say anything, but if I feel like a reminder is needed, I simply say "Let it hit". "Let it hit the rim" in incorrect as the ball hitting the backboard would end the restrictions.

Regarding the original post ... I came up two possible reasons why this could be illegal.
1) Are they changing positions around the center restraining circle? [Anyone know of a case play/definition that explains clarified what "around the restraining circle means? Is it 3 feet as in the OP? I can't find it.]
2) Are they taking a position in an occupied space?

I use similar jargon. I officiate FIBA. Many of our players play both FED and FIBA rules so it is a good reminder for the crew as well as the players.