Had a 1st last night

[HokiePaul]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Why not just say, "Hold your spots."? That should have stopped them in their tracks. I've heard many other officials say that. I don't know why they say it, they just do. Kind of like saying, "Let it hit the rim", before a free throw.

I usually say "pick a spot" rather than "hold your spots" as it is technically more correct. I'm saying this to give notice that I am ready to toss the ball and the jump ball restrictions are in place. After "picking a spot", any legal movement is permitted.

Regarding "Let it hit the rim" ... I almost never say anything, but if I feel like a reminder is needed, I simply say "Let it hit". "Let it hit the rim" in incorrect as the ball hitting the backboard would end the restrictions.

Regarding the original post ... I came up two possible reasons why this could be illegal.
1) Are they changing positions around the center restraining circle? [Anyone know of a case play/definition that explains clarified what "around the restraining circle means? Is it 3 feet as in the OP? I can't find it.]
2) Are they taking a position in an occupied space?

[BatteryPowered]

What about 6-3-2(b)?

When discussing the administration of a Jump-ball it states that when the official is ready and until the ball is tossed, nonjumpers shall not ( a ) Move onto the center restraining circle ( b ) Change position around the center restraining circle.

Sounds like 4 players were changing positions to me.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BatteryPowered

What about 6-3-2(b)?

When discussing the administration of a Jump-ball it states that when the official is ready and until the ball is tossed, nonjumpers shall not ( a ) Move onto the center restraining circle ( b ) Change position around the center restraining circle.

Sounds like 4 players were changing positions to me.

Not around the circle they weren't.

[BatteryPowered]

Originally Posted by Adam

Not around the circle they weren't.

My bad...misread the situation.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BatteryPowered

What about 6-3-2(b)?

When discussing the administration of a Jump-ball it states that when the official is ready and until the ball is tossed, nonjumpers shall not ( a ) Move onto the center restraining circle ( b ) Change position around the center restraining circle.

Sounds like 4 players were changing positions to me.

They were not changing positions "around the center restraining circle" because they were more than three feet from the center restraining circle.

MTD, Sr.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

I usually say "pick a spot" rather than "hold your spots" as it is technically more correct.

Is it? How about the players ten feet away from the circle? Do they have to pick a spot, or can they just keep running around?

I say nothing. The faster I throw the ball up the fewer problems there are. Game on.

[HokiePaul]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Is it? How about the players ten feet away from the circle? Do they have to pick a spot, or can they just keep running around?

I think so... There is no time component to that ststement. Although after thinking about it, I like "find a spot" better. Telling someone to pick/find a spot is sort of meaningless. They can "pick/find" the spot that they are currently in -- everyone is always on a spot on the floor-- and then move legally. I'm accomplishing the goal of administering the toss without implying a restriction that doesn't exist as "Hold your spot" does.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

Telling someone to pick/find a spot is sort of meaningless.

Agree. So why say anything that's meaningless? Just do what Adam, and AremRed do:

Originally Posted by Adam

I don't say anything. I blow the whistle, step in, and toss the ball after I spit my whistle out.

Originally Posted by AremRed

I say nothing. The faster I throw to ball up the fewer problems there are. Game on.

[HokiePaul]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Agree. So why say anything that's meaningless? Just do what Adam, and AremRed do:

Sometimes I do ... If everyone is legal when I'm ready to start, then I usually do just go whistle, color, direction, toss.

Saying "find a spot" is meaningless in the sense that it is impossible to not comply and it doesn't contridict any rule, but it can help with speeding up the administration and avoiding a jump ball violation when there are multiple players shuffling around the circle prior to the jump.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

Sometimes I do ... If everyone is legal when I'm ready to start, then I usually do just go whistle, color, direction, toss.

Saying "find a spot" is meaningless in the sense that it is impossible to not comply and it doesn't contridict any rule, but it can help with speeding up the administration and avoiding a jump ball violation when there are multiple players shuffling around the circle prior to the jump.

Why not skip the color and direction, too?

I hit the whistle, step in, and toss it up.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

Sometimes I do ... If everyone is legal when I'm ready to start, then I usually do just go whistle, color, direction, toss.

Saying "find a spot" is meaningless in the sense that it is impossible to not comply and it doesn't contridict any rule, but it can help with speeding up the administration and avoiding a jump ball violation when there are multiple players shuffling around the circle prior to the jump.

Whistle, as I walk in I tell jumpers to be ready b/c I don't bounce the ball, toss.

I stopped doing color/direction.

[HokiePaul]

Originally Posted by Rich

Why not skip the color and direction, too?

I hit the whistle, step in, and toss it up.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Whistle, as I walk in I tell jumpers to be ready b/c I don't bounce the ball, toss.

I stopped doing color/direction.

Seems to be the standard in my association.

I do think it can be a good reminder too when you have weird colors. For example, first time I saw the "pink" awareness uniforms, I would have probably called "pink" had the R not designated them as "white" at the jump. I've also seen very dark purple uniforms be called both "black" or "blue". I see absolutely no downside to it either.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

Sometimes I do ... If everyone is legal when I'm ready to start, then I usually do just go whistle, color, direction, toss.

Saying "find a spot" is meaningless in the sense that it is impossible to not comply and it doesn't contridict any rule, but it can help with speeding up the administration and avoiding a jump ball violation when there are multiple players shuffling around the circle prior to the jump.

To me, "find a spot" implies they need to find a spot and hold it. I don't see how it's substantively different from "hold your spots."

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Adam

To me, "find a spot" implies they need to find a spot and hold it. I don't see how it's substantively different from "hold your spots."

Plus, we have a U1/U2 who are responsible to ensure non-jumpers are legal. I don't worry about it; if someone is does something illegal I expect a whistle from one of my partners.