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Old Wed Feb 05, 2014, 02:50pm
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Working a girls varsity game as U1 in a 3 person crew. We got ready to start the game and the visiting team players outside the jump circle start running counterclockwise in a circle about 6' outside the jump circle. We were startled for a minute waiting for them to set, and the coach started hollering "let's go". We tossed the ball, they won the tap and off we went.
After the game, we questioned whether this was legal or not, but determined it was, as all players were not within 3' of the circle. Has anyone else seen this before, and do you agree that this is legal ??
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Old Wed Feb 05, 2014, 02:54pm
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...After the game, we questioned whether this was legal or not, but determined it was, as all players were not within 3' of the circle. Has anyone else seen this before, and do you agree that this is legal ??
If you guys agreed on the bolded part, what is there that would make it illegal?
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Old Wed Feb 05, 2014, 03:14pm
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If you guys agreed on the bolded part, what is there that would make it illegal?
Nothing that we could figure. Just wanted input as to if we may have overlooked something.
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Old Wed Feb 05, 2014, 03:32pm
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The visiting team players outside the jump circle start running counterclockwise in a circle about 6' outside the jump circle. We were startled for a minute waiting for them to set ...
Why not just say, "Hold your spots."? That should have stopped them in their tracks. I've heard many other officials say that. I don't know why they say it, they just do. Kind of like saying, "Let it hit the rim", before a free throw.
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Old Wed Feb 05, 2014, 03:43pm
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Why not just say, "Hold your spots."? That should have stopped them in their tracks. I've heard many other officials say that. I don't know why they say it, they just do. Kind of like saying, "Let it hit the rim", before a free throw.
I usually say "pick a spot" rather than "hold your spots" as it is technically more correct. I'm saying this to give notice that I am ready to toss the ball and the jump ball restrictions are in place. After "picking a spot", any legal movement is permitted.

Regarding "Let it hit the rim" ... I almost never say anything, but if I feel like a reminder is needed, I simply say "Let it hit". "Let it hit the rim" in incorrect as the ball hitting the backboard would end the restrictions.

Regarding the original post ... I came up two possible reasons why this could be illegal.
1) Are they changing positions around the center restraining circle? [Anyone know of a case play/definition that explains clarified what "around the restraining circle means? Is it 3 feet as in the OP? I can't find it.]
2) Are they taking a position in an occupied space?

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Old Wed Feb 05, 2014, 04:10pm
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Why not just say, "Hold your spots."? That should have stopped them in their tracks. I've heard many other officials say that. I don't know why they say it, they just do. Kind of like saying, "Let it hit the rim", before a free throw.
Jump Ball- What if you say "Hold your spots" and they legally move? Do you call a violation?
Free Throw- What if you say "Don't move until it hits" and they move into the paint area. Or move backwards behind another player? Do you call a violation?

That is why you do not tell them to '"Hold your spots" on a Jump ball.
HokiePaul has a better phrase, "Pick a spot".
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Old Wed Feb 05, 2014, 04:15pm
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What about 6-3-2(b)?

When discussing the administration of a Jump-ball it states that when the official is ready and until the ball is tossed, nonjumpers shall not ( a ) Move onto the center restraining circle ( b ) Change position around the center restraining circle.

Sounds like 4 players were changing positions to me.
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What about 6-3-2(b)?

When discussing the administration of a Jump-ball it states that when the official is ready and until the ball is tossed, nonjumpers shall not ( a ) Move onto the center restraining circle ( b ) Change position around the center restraining circle.

Sounds like 4 players were changing positions to me.
Not around the circle they weren't.
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Old Wed Feb 05, 2014, 04:23pm
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Not around the circle they weren't.
My bad...misread the situation.
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Old Wed Feb 05, 2014, 04:28pm
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Free Throw- What if you say "Don't move until it hits" and they move into the paint area. Or move backwards behind another player? Do you call a violation?
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Jump Ball- What if you say "Hold your spots" and they legally move? Do you call a violation? Free Throw- What if you say "Don't move until it hits" and they move into the paint area. Or move backwards behind another player? Do you call a violation?
I was being sarcastic. We have guys who say things like this, and worse.
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It's the old hit the backboard first, and then the rim, trick. Oldest trick in the book.
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I usually say "pick a spot" rather than "hold your spots" as it is technically more correct.
Is it? How about the players ten feet away from the circle? Do they have to pick a spot, or can they just keep running around?
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