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Rich Wed Feb 05, 2014 11:27am

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Originally Posted by Jay R (Post 921386)
Back in the old days before video, it always seemed to be the cop out. Unfortunately, there are still 2 or 3 guys in my area who would not hesitate to call the travel here.

I was just kidding, actually.

There are situations like this where there is a legitimate travel as the player recognizes the imminent contact, but this isn't one of them.

Jay R Wed Feb 05, 2014 11:58am

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 921388)
I was just kidding, actually.

There are situations like this where there is a legitimate travel as the player recognizes the imminent contact, but this isn't one of them.

I knew YOU were kidding.

Camron Rust Thu Feb 06, 2014 01:22am

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 921380)
It would have been mildly entertaining to watch the C come out with a late PC to force a double foul. Wrong on many accounts but at least amusing.

Perhaps it would be better than sticking the wrong player with the foul. :eek:

HokiePaul Thu Feb 06, 2014 09:38am

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Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 921096)
Calling a PC foul on the guy catching the ball is not fair at all. He had no chance to avoid the contact. That is, unless you say he shouldn't be allowed to catch that ball in the first place.

We should enforce the rules, not twist them to what we see as fair. That said, if you are looking for fair, I don't understand how punishing the defense for anticipating the play and getting to a spot legally is fair either. Think about this ... If a teamate throws the ball out of bounds, then he would not be allowed to legally catch it. You don't ignore the out of bounds rule because it seems fair to let the player have a chance to catch the ball. Likewise, if a teamate throws him the ball in a way that leads him into a collision with a defender, that doesn't mean you ignore the rule on charging because it seems fair to let the player catch the ball.

JetMetFan Thu Feb 06, 2014 10:02am

By the way, here's the case play from the NCAA (it's AR 85 in both rule books):

B1 takes a spot on the playing court before A1 jumps to catch a pass.
1. A1 returns to the playing court and lands on B1; or
2. B1 moves to a new spot while A1 is airborne. A1 comes to the floor on one foot and then charges into B1.
RULING: In both (1) and (2), the foul shall be on A1. In (1), B1 is entitled to that spot on the floor provided (s)he gets there legally before the offensive player becomes airborne. However, in (2), when A1 possesses the ball then lands on the floor, no time and distance is required.
(Rule 4-17.4.c and .d, 4-17.3 and Exception 4-17.7)

dahoopref Thu Feb 20, 2014 03:08pm

John Adams has ruled this play a "block" on today's Arbiter video bulletin #14; correct call.

AremRed Thu Feb 20, 2014 03:12pm

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Originally Posted by dahoopref (Post 923809)
John Adams has ruled this play a "block" on today's Arbiter video bulletin #14; correct call.

Did he explain his reasoning?

dahoopref Thu Feb 20, 2014 03:16pm

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 923811)
Did he explain his reasoning?

Rule 4 Sec 17 Art 5 a thru d

Welpe Thu Feb 20, 2014 03:22pm

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Originally Posted by dahoopref (Post 923809)
John Adams has ruled this play a "block" on today's Arbiter video bulletin #14; correct call.

Wow. Well wouldn't be the first time I've disagreed with an officiating coordinator on a play.

Per the rulebook there's no way I can see that this is anything but a PC.

AremRed Thu Feb 20, 2014 03:28pm

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Originally Posted by dahoopref (Post 923814)
Rule 4 Sec 17 Art 5 a thru d

So basically John ruled that the Texas player did not have the ball. Thus, time/distance is a factor.

Welpe Thu Feb 20, 2014 03:30pm

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 923818)
So basically John ruled that the Texas player did not have the ball. Thus, time/distance is a factor.

If that's the case, I'd like to know what it means to take a step and a half while firmly holding the ball?

JetMetFan Thu Feb 20, 2014 04:17pm

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 923819)
If that's the case, I'd like to know what it means to take a step and a half while firmly holding the ball?

So...should NCAAM expect a new interpretation as to what constitutes possession? :confused:

If I was Bill Self I'd send Adams a screen shot of the Texas player holding the ball with both hands while he was still at least one giant step away from my defender.

Welpe Thu Feb 20, 2014 04:22pm

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Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 923837)
So...should NCAAM expect a new interpretation as to what constitutes possession? :confused:

Maybe it'll look like the catch rule for NCAA football. :confused:

I know one thing, with what's been going on with the rules lately, I'd be smiling if I were an NCAA-W official.

JetMetFan Thu Feb 20, 2014 04:31pm

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 923840)
I know one thing, with what's been going on with the rules lately, I'd be smiling if I were an NCAA-W official.

You mean like me? :D

And here I was thinking the LDB and the RA would be a headache. Those are a piece of cake compared to this.

Welpe Thu Feb 20, 2014 04:36pm

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Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 923842)
You mean like me? :D

Eggsactly! ;)


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