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Raymond Wed Jan 29, 2014 01:24pm

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 920226)
Also, I hear McCaffrey got whacked after a non-call on a travel. Can someone post that sequence?

And please don't tell me I can browse to the play.

For our video gurus, this sequence will be found starting at the 17:57 mark of the 2nd half. Definitely a travel. Definitely a coach out of his box reacting to a play.

Rich Wed Jan 29, 2014 01:33pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 920309)
For our video gurus, this sequence will be found starting at the 17:57 mark of the 2nd half. Definitely a travel. Definitely a coach out of his box reacting to a play.

It's a euro-step-and-a-step!

APG Wed Jan 29, 2014 04:10pm

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JRutledge Wed Jan 29, 2014 04:15pm

I am not convinced the first one is a foul and can see why it was not called.

The second play the issue is when did the gather take place. I think a case can easily be made that the gather did not start until in the air and the left foot had already been off the floor.

Peace

Rich Wed Jan 29, 2014 04:19pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 920358)
I am not convinced the first one is a foul and can see why it was not called.

The second play the issue is when did the gather take place. I think a case can easily be made that the gather did not start until in the air and the left foot had already been off the floor.

Peace

I agree with both of your comments. I took the time to slow down the second one and it's not as straight-forward as I thought when I watched it once this morning.

I still think it's a travel, though.

Nevadaref Wed Jan 29, 2014 04:27pm

Endline angle shows the foul in the first one.

The second is a clear travel as the left foot is definitely on the floor when the dribble has ended. This pivot foot then comes back down following a step with the right before the try is released. It does happen at high speed though in the live action. Easy call with slo-mo and freeze frame. Just don't get to officiate that way! Someone can post some still pics for others to confirm this.

just another ref Wed Jan 29, 2014 04:30pm

First play I'm okay with no call.

Second play is a travel, even on the first day of the 9 & 10 year old league. Ball is resting in his hand before the left foot comes down the first time.

MD Longhorn Wed Jan 29, 2014 04:43pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 920367)
Endline angle shows the foul in the first one.

The second is a clear travel as the left foot is definitely on the floor when the dribble has ended. This pivot foot then comes back down following a step with the right before the try is released. It does happen at high speed though in the live action. Easy call with slo-mo and freeze frame. Just don't get to officiate that way! Someone can post some still pics for others to confirm this.

Actually, while I agree in slo mo it's a travel... in normal speed it looks even worse than it actually is. I can't see no-calling this one at normal speed at all.

rockyroad Wed Jan 29, 2014 04:49pm

So when did the T happen? Was the whistle right after the no-call for the T or for a timeout and then the Coach got whacked during the timeout?

APG Wed Jan 29, 2014 05:05pm

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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 920371)
So when did the T happen? Was the whistle right after the no-call for the T or for a timeout and then the Coach got whacked during the timeout?

The immediate whistle after the play in question was to assess the technical foul.

A Pennsylvania Coach Wed Jan 29, 2014 05:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 920358)
I am not convinced the first one is a foul and can see why it was not called.

The second play the issue is when did the gather take place. I think a case can easily be made that the gather did not start until in the air and the left foot had already been off the floor.

Peace

No call seems reasonable in the first play.

The second is an obvious travel, at full speed or slow-mo. I can pause it at 0:23 and see the ball gathered with the left foot off the ground...before he puts it down! (for the first of two times after the gather)

OKREF Wed Jan 29, 2014 05:24pm

I like the no call in the first one.

Also, that is clearly a travel, at whatever speed you see it.

Welpe Wed Jan 29, 2014 05:29pm

On the first video, I'm seeing the same thing as Nevada. B11 comes in with significant body contact displacing the airborne A10 and affecting the release of his shot. What is everyone else seeing to tell you this is a no call?

blindzebra Wed Jan 29, 2014 06:23pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 920387)
On the first video, I'm seeing the same thing as Nevada. B11 comes in with significant body contact displacing the airborne A10 and affecting the release of his shot. What is everyone else seeing to tell you this is a no call?

The ball was 2 feet right of the goal for a reason.

dahoopref Wed Jan 29, 2014 06:34pm

Put yourself in the position of the new Lead running in transition; it has been ingrained by my supervisors to "officiate the defense" on plays to the rim to check for a potential RA or if the defender obtains LGP.

I can totally understand why this play could be missed if the official is observing the defensive player.


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