Iowa / Michigan State final play (Clips Added)
 

Can anyone post video of the final play? Just curious on how many might have a foul on this play and how many were good with a no call.

You can browse to the play here: ESPN3 -- Michigan State vs. Iowa

I'm good with a no call

Based on the way the entire game was called it was a foul.

Based on the way the entire game was called it was certainly not a travel.

Can someone still post the play, if it's not too much trouble?

ESPN cannot be accessed outside of the US.

Yes, I agree. Please still post the video. My internet provider does not support streaming ESPN3.

Same here, please, post the video.

If I can figure out how to do it ... I will try. Hoping the ones who normally do, can do this.

Also, I hear McCaffrey got whacked after a non-call on a travel. Can someone post that sequence?

And please don't tell me I can browse to the play.

Watched it live and had the same thought. Was going to make a similar thread when I saw this one.

My opinion is that this was a clear foul. The defender caused the contact on the airborne offensive player and it displaced him causing him to move away from the basket.

They got him for being out of the box arguing.

Less than 10 minutes later Izzo was on the floor arguing and nothing.

+1 I am good with the no call.

Track record. Right or wrong, those officials all saw McCaffrey get himself ejected earlier this season.

I think it comes down to angles, as usual.

From the sideline camera, I'm good with a legal ruling. From the endline camera, I see #11 green come into the shooter and commit a blocking foul.

For our video gurus, this sequence will be found starting at the 17:57 mark of the 2nd half. Definitely a travel. Definitely a coach out of his box reacting to a play.

It's a euro-step-and-a-step!

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I am not convinced the first one is a foul and can see why it was not called.

The second play the issue is when did the gather take place. I think a case can easily be made that the gather did not start until in the air and the left foot had already been off the floor.

Peace

I agree with both of your comments. I took the time to slow down the second one and it's not as straight-forward as I thought when I watched it once this morning.

I still think it's a travel, though.

Endline angle shows the foul in the first one.

The second is a clear travel as the left foot is definitely on the floor when the dribble has ended. This pivot foot then comes back down following a step with the right before the try is released. It does happen at high speed though in the live action. Easy call with slo-mo and freeze frame. Just don't get to officiate that way! Someone can post some still pics for others to confirm this.

First play I'm okay with no call.

Second play is a travel, even on the first day of the 9 & 10 year old league. Ball is resting in his hand before the left foot comes down the first time.

Actually, while I agree in slo mo it's a travel... in normal speed it looks even worse than it actually is. I can't see no-calling this one at normal speed at all.

So when did the T happen? Was the whistle right after the no-call for the T or for a timeout and then the Coach got whacked during the timeout?

The immediate whistle after the play in question was to assess the technical foul.

No call seems reasonable in the first play.

The second is an obvious travel, at full speed or slow-mo. I can pause it at 0:23 and see the ball gathered with the left foot off the ground...before he puts it down! (for the first of two times after the gather)

I like the no call in the first one.

Also, that is clearly a travel, at whatever speed you see it.

On the first video, I'm seeing the same thing as Nevada. B11 comes in with significant body contact displacing the airborne A10 and affecting the release of his shot. What is everyone else seeing to tell you this is a no call?

The ball was 2 feet right of the goal for a reason.

Put yourself in the position of the new Lead running in transition; it has been ingrained by my supervisors to "officiate the defense" on plays to the rim to check for a potential RA or if the defender obtains LGP.

I can totally understand why this play could be missed if the official is observing the defensive player.

He was not in transition but he was way too wide. He was clearly looking to help on a 3 pt shot and was not in a good position for the drive.

While the first one is often no-called, it was definitely contact that affected the shot by a player who didn't have LGP. I'd like to see that called more, but it often isn't.

The 2nd play is a very easy travel. The dribble ended and the player caught the ball with one hand well before lifting the pivot. In fact, he caught it on the left foot just as the right foot came off the floor. He then stepped to the on the right (legal) and then left again.

I don't know way some keep suggesting it takes two hands to catch (gather) the ball. There is nothing in the rules that supports that. Typically, the dribble ends when it is caught and it is caught when the dribble ends.

There was a backcourt missed in OT I believe. Iowa trapped MSU in the front court and the MSU player bounce passed it on the division line to his buddy. No call.

Oops other post

First play is a foul IMO. I was surprised to see so many say no call. Those that did please explain your reasons.

Second play is a travel and not really that close. At full speed it looks even worse so I'm surprised they missed.

He was shooting the ball going away from the basket and the contact did not change his ability to make the shot. I am not convinced the contact put the shooter at any disadvantage.

Peace

I too would like to see someone explain how getting displaced just as you're trying to release a shot not have an effect on the shot. Maybe it wasn't a good shot but the contact most certainly didn't make it easier.

Tell me about it his initial release point was going toward the bottom right corner of the square and the ball hit just inside the pad around the backboard.

The contact by Harris caused that shot to go 2 feet to the right.

Per latest NCAA-Men's video, this play was a travel. (which, of course, I said myself :D )

What video is this? Hopefully a video sent out to officials of obvious mistakes with a "lets not do this again" sticker taped to it?

It's a missed call. It's not something worth more than a brief mention in a video.

Mention by whom to whom?

My post gives you that information.

No, it doesn't.

Read 'em again.

Did.......don't see it. Sometimes you have to speak really slowly to me.

And sometimes even that doesn't help.:D

No problem.

BNR said the second play was sent out as an NCAA video bulletin, as an example of a travel. BNR mentioned that before the video was sent out, he commented in this thread that the play was a travel.

JAR (you) asked what video this was (should have been obvious). You hoped it was sent out to remind officials not to miss this play.

Rich agreed it was a missed call, but thought it was not a big deal. Not worth more than a brief mention.

JAR (you) asked "mention to whom (NCAA officials) by whom (the NCAA)?

BNR said his post already mentioned that info (sent out as a video bulletin to NCAA officials by the NCAA).

JAR (you) said "No it doesn't" (it did).

AremRed (me) said "Read 'em (the posts) again".

JAR (you) replied "sometimes you have to speak really slowly to me" (what I am doing right now).

And that's where we are now. Make sense?

And there's the quote by BNR, which does not actually answer either question. (to whom, by whom)

Maybe you should read more slowly.

Read the 10 characters preceding the word "video", not to include spaces.

Did.......Don't know what that means. Anybody could make an NCAA Men's video.

Anybody could make an NCAA-M video. However, the official NCAA-M videos, sent to NCAA-M officials or anyone else that pays the $100 fee to gain access, are sent to us and narrated by John Adams via the NCAA-M arbiter site.

I am surprised you don't know what it means when BNR refers to these videos or Jetmet refers to similar videos sent to NCAA-W officials. We have been discussing them on this forum for at least the last 3 years.

Do you honestly think that BNR is going to reference some random NCAA-Men's video?

No, I didn't think that for a minute. johnnyd answered the question. Was that so hard?

So, somebody explain further. BNR brought it up to me after the thread was quiet for two weeks, so I assumed that meant it had some significance. It was listed as a missed travel call, so was it the only one this year or one of 40 this week. I was curious for some perspective.