Fastbreak Foul (Video)

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

In my high school game, intentional (hard) foul.

It's convenient that both the lead, and the center, had to same call. I would hate to think what would happen if they had different calls, with one being the old "heave ho" unofficial signal. As you are all aware, in the Land That Time Forgot, also known as Connecticut, almost all of our games are two person games, so whose call is this?

Good question ... but in my opinion if both call this, and one gives the ejection signal, you eject - if EITHER official sees enough to make that call, go with it.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Good question ... but in my opinion if both call this, and one gives the ejection signal, you eject - if EITHER official sees enough to make that call, go with it.

Seems fine, but let's say the center goes with an ordinary in the act of shooting foul, and give a holding preliminary signal, while the lead gives the intentional (hard) foul preliminary signal?

Let's just say that I'm not a big fan of preliminary signals on double whistles, while still realizing that sometimes one official doesn't hear the other's whistle, doesn't realize it's a double whistle, and gives a strong "sell it" preliminary signal. I hate it when that happens. Luckily, the few times that I've been involved in such a situation, my partner, and I, have both had the same signal, there but for the grace of God ...

[maroonx]

Does #34 dark jersey have tights on?

[Toren]

I'd like to see the lead close into the players once the illegal hit is delivered. Just being more of a presence on the play.

I'm seeing flagrant/flagrant 2.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Good question ... but in my opinion if both call this, and one gives the ejection signal, you eject - if EITHER official sees enough to make that call, go with it.

Why? One is no more likely to be correct than the other.

[JugglingReferee]

Minimum of INT in Fed and UNS in FIBA - clear path rule. Quite likely upgraded to a DQ.

And if I'm the new L on this play, I want to know why the new T has a call on a breakaway that is my primary.

[JetMetFan]

Intentional and if I'm the calling official - the L - I immediately go over to the T and ask him his thoughts on giving B1 a flagrant. The fact I'm asking means I'm leaning towards a flagrant.

Originally Posted by tjones1

C

Originally Posted by BillyMac

center

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

C

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Edit: Damn JetMet and his edit! :P

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by AremRed

C??

Edit: Damn JetMet and his edit! :P

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by maroonx

Does #34 dark jersey have tights on?

... "Long socks."

Do you want to pat him down to check?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Minimum of INT in Fed and UNS in FIBA - clear path rule. Quite likely upgraded to a DQ.

And if I'm the new L on this play, I want to know why the new T has a call on a breakaway that is my primary.

Did he have a call, or was it a supporting whistle?

[j51969]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Did he have a call, or was it a supporting whistle?

Agreed.

0.11 sec lead has foul, and the trail isn't in frame
0.12 sec lead is starting the preliminary signal for Int F
0.13 sec T has made it in frame to table side/3pt line, and is mirroring the preliminary signal for Int F. T freezes and observes players. L comes in and is observing players in lane.

We can debate whether it was int or flag all day, but I think they handled the situation appropriately. I don't have an issue with the double whistle, or the T coming in and mirroring the L call. Unless the T was doing something out of frame we are not privy to this is a good crew call.