What you guys Think of this? (Video)

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Adam

I've got a common foul, but I'd hardly say calling it intentional qualifies it as a "horrible" call.

You're kind.

[asdf]

While certainly a suspect intentional foul, it did not "hand" the game to the home team.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Might part of whether this is intentional or common depend on whether Blue had been "trying to foul" before this?

I'm sure it does vary by area as well.

I would hope not. The foul should be judged on the contact, not their desire to get the clock stopped.

The foul wasn't excessive contact and while it may have been designed to stop the clock, he was actually poking at the ball....which keeps it common.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by asdf

While certainly a suspect intentional foul, it did not "hand" the game to the home team.

Giving someone 4 FTs and possession sure makes it close, however.

[APG]

Interestingly enough, the very next play is another intentional foul called with the same two participants involved. Play starts at 1:02:40.

[just another ref]

What gets lost in all this is that so many people consider every bad call (which I agree this was) to be a conspiracy. He made a call against us. He obviously is cheating so we would lose. end of story. Who knows? This guy may make bad calls every night.

[tjchamp]

Anyone notice where he put the ball in play after the second intentional? And if the first intentional foul was in fact intentional, then why wasn't the foul after the second intentional also an intentional foul?

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Giving someone 4 FTs and possession sure makes it close, however.

That is, IMHO, a crap comment, Camron. He did not "give" them 4 free throws. To make a comment like that puts you in the same category as the fan who initially posted the video.

Argue whether or not it was an IF all day. But #3 in blue earned his T. To turn around and say that the official gave the other team free throws is just wrong.

For the record, I would not have had an IF on that play either. But if a partner did, so be it.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

He did not "give" them 4 free throws.

Agree. The technical foul was earned. There shouldn't be any more discussion about the technical, or the free throws taken as a result of the technical.

Maybe the intentional foul was the wrong call. Maybe it was the correct call.

No official that I've worked with over the past thirty-three years would cheat to keep a streak alive. Such officials might exist, but I've never met one.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

No official that I've worked with over the past thirty-three years would cheat to keep a streak alive. Such officials might exist, but I've never met one.

You think they would either (a) boast about it or (b) even say such a thing?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

You think they would either (a) boast about it or (b) even say such a thing?

Probably not, but there'd be a few. There'd also be a few where you'd suspect such a scruple gap.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Giving someone 4 FTs and possession sure makes it close, however.

Not getting anything out of a 2 on 1 break (missed two from three feet) then getting stripped started this whole mess.

Could have been only down 4 with 24 seconds remaining had someone not popped off... Then a stupid intentional foul on the throw-in sealed it.

Poor decision by the T, but he didn't hand them the game.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by deecee

You think they would either (a) boast about it or (b) even say such a thing?

I doubt it, but I have never heard any of my partners ever mention, or even joke about, how good, or bad, it would be to end, or to continue, a winning streak with a call; or how good, or bad, it would be to cause a team to win, or to lose, with a call.

I've had partners that I've considered to have made bad calls, but I've never worked with anyone who made a series of bad calls in a game that favored one team, or the other. Also, I've never worked with a partner who made what I may have considered to be a bad call to end a close game.

I've never even heard rumors about officials cheating.

I've worked thousands of game, and I've never cared one way, or the other, who won those games. I trust that my partners have had similar attitudes.

But, maybe I'm looking at the world through rose colored glasses. I've been known to do that.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

That is, IMHO, a crap comment, Camron. He did not "give" them 4 free throws. To make a comment like that puts you in the same category as the fan who initially posted the video.

Argue whether or not it was an IF all day. But #3 in blue earned his T. To turn around and say that the official gave the other team free throws is just wrong.

For the record, I would not have had an IF on that play either. But if a partner did, so be it.

The point is that the one bad call created the situation which led to the T. Without it, there would not have been a T. Yes, the player bears responsibility for his actions in triggering the T but the official is not free from fault. They both messed up. To say otherwise or to try to say the two calls have nothing to do with each other is just ignoring reality.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The point is that the one bad call created the situation which led to the T. Without it, there would not have been a T. Yes, the player bears responsibility for his actions in triggering the T but the official is not free from fault. They both messed up. To say otherwise or to try to say the two calls have nothing to do with each other is just ignoring reality.

Nice try.

Bad/incorrect calls are made all the time. And the plain fact is that several officials on this forum agreed with the IF call. So we can't even all agree that this was a bad call.

That player is responsible for his actions. He earned that T.

You threw a fellow official under the bus, saying he "gave" them four free throws. Feeds right into the perception that some people have that we all cheat. Again, argue the correctness of a call, but don't say the official was cheating ( and yes, that is what you were saying).