UCONN Coach Ejected--Video Request

[Rob1968]

It appears that the defender would have missed the ball-handler if the ball-handler hadn't purposely moved to his right to draw the contact and, that sideways movement was not part of a normal attempt to shoot.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

It appears that the defender would have missed the ball-handler if the ball-handler hadn't purposely moved to his right to draw the contact and, that sideways movement was not part of a normal attempt to shoot.

This is a foul 999/1000 times...and the one time is cause the officials missed the call.

[JRutledge]

I think it is a valid point that when players throw themselves into other players, you lose the benefit of the doubt in many cases. I agree this is a foul, but it would have made me think of it when the offensive player throws himself into the defender.

That also being said, he was yelling at the wrong official. The official that would have had this call was the T, not the L. I would not be surprised if the L was not even looking there. So mistake number 1 was Ollie is yelling at the wrong guy. I probably would not have called anything either from his position on this play. Not when the shooter throws himself into the guy and that is where most of the contact came from.

Peace

[STFD]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

....That also being said, he was yelling at the wrong official. ...

I thought he was yelling at the wrong guy too. However from the video, the L seems to be refereeing the play (and from the baseline angle, the Trail is pretty deep). I notice a lot of high level D1 guys refereeing plays in the corner from Lead. I don't usually do this, but in this case the L does not have much going on in his primary.

That said, assuming that a foul was called here, should we put the shooter on the line? I say no. He takes a dribble when he makes the move to his right and hasn't gathered at the time of contact. Thoughts?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by STFD

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That said, assuming that a foul was called here, should we put the shooter on the line? I say no. He takes a dribble when he makes the move to his right and hasn't gathered at the time of contact. Thoughts?

I was thinking the same thing. Foul happens before shooting motion.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by STFD

I thought he was yelling at the wrong guy too. However from the video, the L seems to be refereeing the play (and from the baseline angle, the Trail is pretty deep). I notice a lot of high level D1 guys refereeing plays in the corner from Lead. I don't usually do this, but in this case the L does not have much going on in his primary.

That said, assuming that a foul was called here, should we put the shooter on the line? I say no. He takes a dribble when he makes the move to his right and hasn't gathered at the time of contact. Thoughts?

Maybe, but that is clearly the T's call mostly. The L could help, but that is the wrong guy to initially react towards IMO.

And I am not sure I would give it a shooting foul either. It is close for sure.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

It appears that the defender would have missed the ball-handler if the ball-handler hadn't purposely moved to his right to draw the contact and, that sideways movement was not part of a normal attempt to shoot.

Not sure how this matters according to the rule. The defenders till has certain obligations regardless of which direction the offensive player moves. If the offensive player is trying to draw contact, it's up to the defender to either avoid the contact or ensure such contact is legal (from the defensive perspective.)

[Rob1968]

Originally Posted by Adam

Not sure how this matters according to the rule. The defenders till has certain obligations regardless of which direction the offensive player moves. If the offensive player is trying to draw contact, it's up to the defender to either avoid the contact or ensure such contact is legal (from the defensive perspective.)

I agree. Now, to the case in point:

The dribble and movement to his right, by the ball-handler, was after the leap by the defender. It was not an attempt to go towards the basket, to get the shot off. With the defender already in the air, he couldn't change his direction to avoid the ball-handler, because the ball-handler moved into him. Even so, it is obvious in the video that the defender, while in the air, tried to miss the ball-handler.
The observation by several forum members, that it shouldn't be a foul "in the act of shooting" demonstrates that the two actions - moving towards the airbourne defender to cause the contact, and then trying to get the shot off, were not simultaneous.

As of last season, the NBA recognized that such attempts to "draw the foul" needed to be judged differently.

Several years ago, I called a player control foul on a ball-handler, when he moved under a defender who had jumped, completely taking away his opportunity to land, and dumping him, hard to the floor. The objections to the call were somewhat overcome, when the defender was carried off the floor, due to the injury he suffered.

Obviously, the video in discussion has not that amount of contact, and, I, also, most likely, in that situation would have called a foul on the defender.

[JetMetFan]

It’s a foul, though I can see why it wasn’t called. Live and at real speed it looks like the shooter slides into the path of the airborne defender. In slo-mo it appears the shooter stepped towards his right during his initial movement and was trying to move away from the airborne defender when the contact took place.