10 seconds back court violation?

[JetMetFan]

Here's a ten-second call from the C, with yours truly starring as the man with the whistle. I even got fancy and superimposed a clock on the screen.

[deecee]

IMO, that was to close for "help" in HS, was this college? And does college use the clock, not the count?

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by deecee

IMO, that was to close for "help" in HS, was this college? And does college use the clock, not the count?

Yes, NCAAW D3.

And yes, the clock is used which is why I ended up making the call while the T was watching the ball handler and defender.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

Yes, NCAAW D3.

And yes, the clock is used which is why I ended up making the call while the T was watching the ball handler and defender.

And C (and as a last resort L) can specifically get this in NCAAW.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

And C (and as a last resort L) can specifically get this in NCAAW.

What made it even more fun was the shot-clocks were having issues. There were actually four in use. Two on top of the backboards and two on the wall to the left at each end. The ones on the backboards kept sticking (e.g., they'd show "25" then "22" but wouldn't appear to be running in between). One of the backups stuck as well, despite the fact it was hard-wired. My R gave us simple advice: If you see two different times on the shot-clocks at one end, go with the one that's lower.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

What made it even more fun was the shot-clocks were having issues. There were actually four in use. Two on top of the backboards and two on the wall to the left at each end. The ones on the backboards kept sticking (e.g., they'd show "25" then "22" but wouldn't appear to be running in between). One of the backups stuck as well, despite the fact it was hard-wired. My R gave us simple advice: If you see two different times on the shot-clocks at one end, go with the one that's lower.

I would have asked them to turn one set off, either the on the backboards or the one on the wall. It sucks that the sticking problem was occurring, but I think it got compounded by having two clocks on each end that could potentially have different times. I would rather have one set and deal with those problems than try to reconcile two sets on each end.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

Yes, NCAAW D3.

I only watch D-I women's, so I was under the assumption the ten-second violation was completely gone from NCAA Women's. Is that just a D-I thing, or does D-II have that violation?

[APG]

Originally Posted by bainsey

I only watch D-I women's, so I was under the assumption the ten-second violation was completely gone from NCAA Women's. Is that just a D-I thing, or does D-II have that violation?

NCAA-W ADDED the 10 second violation this year.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by bainsey

I only watch D-I women's, so I was under the assumption the ten-second violation was completely gone from NCAA Women's. Is that just a D-I thing, or does D-II have that violation?

So you're the one viewer they get on their nielsen ratings?

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by bainsey

I only watch D-I women's, so I was under the assumption the ten-second violation was completely gone from NCAA Women's. Is that just a D-I thing, or does D-II have that violation?

Apparently you are just a casual observer. Thanks for being a fan.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

Here's a ten-second call from the C, with yours truly starring as the man with the whistle. I even got fancy and superimposed a clock on the screen....

You trying to make APG jealous? LOL

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

You trying to make APG jealous? LOL

I'm a dangerous man when I have time on my hands

JetMet, looks to me like you blew at 20. Isn't the violation supposed to occur at 19, due to 30 not being a whole second?

[CountTheBasket]

Originally Posted by AremRed

JetMet, looks to me like you blew at 20. Isn't the violation supposed to occur at 19, due to 30 not being a whole second?

No, think about it like this:

20.0-20.9999 (1 sec).....21.0-21.99999....all the way to 29.0-29.99999 (10 sec)

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by AremRed

JetMet, looks to me like you blew at 20. Isn't the violation supposed to occur at 19, due to 30 not being a whole second?

Originally Posted by CountTheBasket

No, think about it like this:

20.0-20.9999 (1 sec).....21.0-21.99999....all the way to 29.0-29.99999 (10 sec)

It depends on the design of the clock. At least two styles exist....most, I think, operate like CountTheBasket is implying.

The clock, internally, starts at 30.000000 but only displays 30.

At the very instant it is turned on, it internally drops to 29.999999. However, it may either still show 30 (rounding up) or it may show 29 (rounding down). In either case, it will remain the same until is crosses below 29.000000.

In the case of a clock that rounds up for the display, the violation would occur the moment it shows 20. In the case of a clock that rounds down for the display, the violation would occur when it shows 19.

An easy way to tell is to see if the horn sounds the instant it reaches 0 (a clock that rounds up) or if there is a delay of 1 second between the horn reaching 0 and the horn (a clock that rounds down).

I believe that most, if not all, modern clocks operate by rounding up so that when it shows 0, it is truly 0.0000000 and not 0 and a fraction.....or that when it shows any whole number, it has passed below that whole number but not yet reached the next whole number.