Technical foul on substitute—mechanics

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

We've got some good scorekeepers here. They're good, but not that good. In most cases, if we didn't report the indirect, it wouldn't get recorded.

Think about this--do indirect Ts really need to be recorded? If the direct Ts are recorded, there is a record of when an indirect occurred, right?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Do indirect Ts really need to be recorded? If the direct Ts are recorded, there is a record of when an indirect occurred, right?

Then do team fouls really need to be recorded? If the personal fouls (per half) are recorded, isn't that enough to figure out when the bonus occurs? Just add them up.

Does a running score really need to be recorded? If the player points are recorded, isn't that enough to figure out who wins the game? Just add them up.

Plus, "the scorer shall record ... notify an official immediately when ... the third technical foul is charged to the head coach."

If the scorer is supposed to notify the officials when a third technical foul (direct and indirect) is charged to the head coach, shouldn't he have that information recorded for easy reference?

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Then do team fouls really need to be recorded? If the personal fouls (per half) are recorded, isn't that enough to figure out when the bonus occurs? Just add them up.

Does a running score really need to be recorded? If the player points are recorded, isn't that enough to figure out who wins the game? Just add them up.

Plus, "the scorer shall record ... notify an official immediately when ... the third technical foul is charged to the head coach."

If the scorer is supposed to notify the officials when a third technical foul (direct and indirect) is charged to the head coach, shouldn't he have that information recorded for easy reference?

Scorer is required to keep the running total.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

Scorer is required to keep the running total.

I know, but does it really need to be recorded?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I know, but does it really need to be recorded?

Yes. It's the official score.

What doesn't need to be recorded are the points to each player.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Then do team fouls really need to be recorded? If the personal fouls (per half) are recorded, isn't that enough to figure out when the bonus occurs? Just add them up.

Does a running score really need to be recorded? If the player points are recorded, isn't that enough to figure out who wins the game? Just add them up.

Plus, "the scorer shall record ... notify an official immediately when ... the third technical foul is charged to the head coach."

If the scorer is supposed to notify the officials when a third technical foul (direct and indirect) is charged to the head coach, shouldn't he have that information recorded for easy reference?

Thanks for bringing up the points I wanted to raise. I tell the table write down the T (direct or indirect) and the time. First, if the game is suspended for some reason or my league needs to look at the scorebook in case something crazy happens the info is easily accessible. Second, I'm dealing with kids 99% of the time and there are days I'm happy to get the personal and/or team fouls recorded. Having them write everything down gets them into good habits.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Think about this--do indirect Ts really need to be recorded? If the direct Ts are recorded, there is a record of when an indirect occurred, right?

Yes, they do. There is no way, from what is recorded with the direct T, to know whether it should or should not also be counted as an indirect T to the head coach. If 32 earns a T, it might have been from the bench or from the floor as a player. If it is from the bench, it will require that it be recorded as being also indirectly charged to the coach.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

There is no way, from what is recorded with the direct T, to know whether it should or should not also be counted is an indirect T to the head coach. If 32 earns a T, it might have been from the bench or from the floor as a player. If it is from the bench, it will require that it be recorded as being also indirectly charged to the coach.

Camron Rust: Thanks for saying what I was thinking, I just couldn't put it into words.