What Would YOU Do...(video)

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by BatteryPowered

I agree...there needs to be a whistle. To me, either the T of C should get the call becuase the drive started in the T's area and went into the C's area. Makes you wonder what level of contact is needed for that C to blow her whistle...looks like she had a very clear and unobstructed view of the play.

The T would be making an educated guess on this play at best. There is no way the T is watching the secondary defender on this play and he shouldn't be. This is the L or C all the way. There needs to be a whistle on this play, so I wouldn't have a problem with the T cleaning it up late, even though he does not have the best look and probably hasn't seen the whole play.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by johnny d

The T would be making an educated guess on this play at best. There is no way the T is watching the secondary defender on this play and he shouldn't be. This is the L or C all the way. There needs to be a whistle on this play, so I wouldn't have a problem with the T cleaning it up late, even though he does not have the best look and probably hasn't seen the whole play.

Someone has to have a whistle on this. And I disagree that the T could not see the secondary defender. Actually they could see the play coming as they are on ball much of this play. Not saying they are ideal and that other officials might not have a better look most of the time, but you could read this coming a mile away. The ball handler never acted like they were going to stop and pull up. But the C should have had this all the way too. Not sure what the hell she was watching?

Peace

[stir22]

I've got a whistle and a charge. Learned this one the hard way, years ago, as a newby, in two man. My partner came in hard to close down, took the call and looked at me like,"hey man, you've gotta get that one." Never forgot it.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I disagree that the T could not see the secondary defender. Actually they could see the play coming as they are on ball much of this play.

I agree with Jeff and there’s another factor here: what’s the next competitive matchup for the T once A1 leaves his primary? At the moment of contact all ten players on the floor are at or below the 28-foot hash mark. There’s no competitive matchup in front of the T so his job is to look for another. The next competitive matchup is the (impending) crash site.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by johnny d

There is no way the T is watching the secondary defender on this play and he shouldn't be.

What secondary defender?

After the dribbler blows past #1 above the top of the key, there's only one person in the path of the dribbler.

The T easily should have been able to jump in after the C didn't blow her whistle. He was in great position after hustling down the floor.

[Rich]

In that spot, we'd give first crack to the L. In the paint, L is king.

Your region may vary.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Rich

In that spot, we'd give first crack to the L. In the paint, L is king.

Your region may vary.

I agree. This is L/C area for this call. The T is the last option, and IMO the worst. Makes you wonder what the C is watching.

[CountTheBasket]

Close hard and get it a little late if you need to as the T in my opinion if the C&L pass, that is too big of a "crash" to not have a whistle. It should've been called fairly easily but sometimes the brain says foul and forgets to tell the mouth to blow the whistle. I think you're better off responding to why that was blown from that area, than having to respond to why was nothing called on such a big collision.

[srp6977]

Holy cow. C was obviously asleep at the wheel. Somebody get it, but C has a perfect look, middle of the lane.

[HokiePaul]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

To be honest, I don't know what I would do if I were the Trail on that play.

Same here.

If I somehow saw the defender clearly in the play and was confident in the amount of contact (and certain that there was no "embellishing" by the defender), I could see myself making a call (player control). The T here does seem to be in a position where he could close down and make the call without it looking like the call came from too far out of the play.

But from the T position, I'm not sure I'd be focusing on the off-the ball defender to the point where I feel 100% certain in the amount of contact. In that case, I'm not going to guess at a block/charge just because I see a defender go to the floor. I'm likely to trust that my partners passed for a reason.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

Same here.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

To be honest, I don't know what I would do if I were the Trail on that play.

You folks from VA are so polite

I was thinking virtually the same as both of you, especially Hokie. It’s obvious it’s a crash and your first instinct is to wait for a whistle. The other two don’t do anything and there’s that little bit of doubt that makes you think, “Well, maybe there’s something I’m not seeing here.” By the time you confidently say to yourself “Nah, B1 got run over,” it may be too late.

Of course, how late IS too late on this one?

[Camron Rust]

As that T from their position, probably nothing. That T had a poor view of the play with many players between them and the point of contact. Once the drive shifted to the other side of the lane, that became the C's drive. Then the defender was a secondary in the L's area.

L's call 1st.
C's call next.
T better have a better position than they had to come in for that one.

If the T was 10-15 feet more in the FC, I could see the T getting it.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Rich

In that spot, we'd give first crack to the L. In the paint, L is king.

Your region may vary.

I like this approach.

If I'm the L in this game, I've got a PC. If I'm the C, I let the L have a heartbeat or two, and then come up with a PC. If I'm the T, and I need to get this one, then ouch!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by asdf

What secondary defender?

After the dribbler blows past #1 above the top of the key, there's only one person in the path of the dribbler.

The T easily should have been able to jump in after the C didn't blow her whistle. He was in great position after hustling down the floor.

The person that was trying to take a charge. Right or wrong in many circles this is considered a secondary defender. The dribbler beat two blue players to get to the lane. That is also the definition that is used at higher levels.

Peace

I've been told that everyone in transition is a secondary defender.

Regarding the original question: I don't mind T stepping in here with a late whistle but I'm not going to fault him for not doing so. Looks like defender has and maintains LGP, offensive player went to-and-through, charge.