Player Unties Another's Shoe During FT

[grunewar]

JR Smith Unties Shawn Marion's Shoe During Dirk FT - YouTube



If you see this as it's happening, you got anything? Would you blow your whistle? Stern talking to? Unsporting T?

[Adam]

Tea time.

[rpirtle]

WHACK...!!! (Probably...I hate answers that are absolute)

However, if I saw something that leads me to believe it was more harmless...such as a prank between two players that know each other (maybe they play on a "club" team together), then I might only give a stern warning. This would be due to the potential for delay of game or possible disconcertion of the shooter. But probably...WHACK...!!!

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Adam

Tea time.

Does this action involve physical contact during a live ball?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Does this action involve physical contact during a live ball?

Contact with the shoe laces? Go for it, I'm calling a T.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Adam

Contact with the shoe laces? Go for it, I'm calling a T.

+1, unsportsmanlike behavior.

[rpirtle]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Does this action involve physical contact during a live ball?

To me...it's a form of taunting. I would place this type of action along side stepping over an opponent that's on the ground. Yes...these actions are not always illegal. But in this specific instance the action is intentional physical contact by a player that is designed to provoke a response from an opponent. It is inappropriate and has nothing to do with the game of basketball.

WHACKABILITY FACTOR = 9 (out of 10...in my opinion) if deemed unsporting.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Adam

Contact with the shoe laces? Go for it, I'm calling a T.

It's only a T if the player's mother comes out of the stands and unties his opponent's shoe.

[LeeBallanfant]

NCAA Rule 9 Art 2 (e)

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Adam

Contact with the shoe laces? Go for it, I'm calling a T.

(Actions take place during a live ball.)
What would you call if a player pulled the hair of an opponent? How about untucked his jersey? Would you deem an OOB violation if the hair or shoelace of a player contacted a boundary line?

[bwburke94]

In regards to OOB, yes.

Also, untying an opponent's shoe is not a T in my opinion.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by bwburke94

In regards to OOB, yes.

Also, untying an opponent's shoe is not a T in my opinion.

What is it?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by deecee

What is it?

What kind of foul do you assess for a non-basketball play, away from the ball, which involves physical contact during a live ball?

[APG]

If you call this an intentional personal foul, you would be in such the vast minority. Making that would literally be the definition of a pioneer call.

Let's not kid ourselves. If any type of foul call is going to be made, it's going to be an unsporting T. No one is going to split hairs as to a player technically touching a player's shoe or shoelaces.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

What kind of foul do you assess for a non-basketball play, away from the ball, which involves physical contact during a live ball?

You know as well as anyone that unsportsmanlike conduct is a T whether the ball is live or not. The fact that it sometimes involves contact doesn't change the definition of unsportsmanlike conduct. It is still a T.

The presented play is not a hold, it is not a push, it is not any of the types of personal fouls as far as I can tell. Most "non-basketball" fouls involve types of contact that is normally defined as a common foul but is not a play on the ball. They are rarely unsportsmanlike, however.

I have no problem with someone calling a T for a player pulling another player's shoelace during a FT.