Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 914849)

Block!!! B1 didn't turn away to absorb contact, B1 turned INTO A1 to create the contact.

Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 914867)

I would have a block in real time and I still have a block after watching it a few times. The defender never gets her feet on the floor facing the offensive player. At :04 in the clip she is facing the sideline with her right shoulder pointed at the dribbler, and she creates the contact with her shoulder as the offensive player gathers to shoot.

Originally Posted by SWKS (Post 914869)

Using 4-23-3 as reference.

ART. 3

After the initial legal guarding position is obtained:

a. The guard may have one or both feet on the playing court or be airborne, provided he/she has inbound status.

b. The guard is not required to continue facing the opponent.

c. The guard may move laterally or obliquely to maintain position, *provided it is not toward the opponent when contact occurs.

d. The guard may raise hands or jump within his/her own vertical plane.

e. The guard may turn or duck to absorb the shock of imminent contact.

Look at the 5 second mark...she has obtained LGP by definition. When contact is made she is moving obliquely to maintain postion and away from opponent. Then contact is made by offensive player and defensive player turns to absorb imminent contact.

This is player control by definition. It looks like a block foul but it is a Player Control.

Originally Posted by SWKS (Post 914869)

Using 4-23-3 as reference.
.. When contact is made she is moving obliquely to maintain postion and away from opponent. Then contact is made by offensive player and defensive player turns to absorb imminent contact.

This is player control by definition. It looks like a block foul but it is a Player Control.

Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 914844)

In MTDS I trust.

R1 established LGP - two feet on the floor and the front of her torso facing her opponent - about :04 into the clip. W1 just happened to be about 20 feet away from her at the time.

Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 914889)

*30% speed with freezes at the moments it appears B1 establishes LGP both before and after A1 has the ball.

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 914898)

Don't forget the "in the path" component I learned recently. I don't see the defender in the path until a second or two before contact, and then she is not directly facing the dribbler. The defender is sidestepping the whole way. Additionally, I think I see a bit of forward contact right as the defender stops, which would negate any LGP if she did have it. Offensive player is under control the whole way, block.



Both times you freeze it I don't see the B1 in A1's path at all.

Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 914889)

Because I can do this sort of thing...

Three more looks at the play.

*30% speed with freezes at the moments it appears B1 establishes LGP both before and after A1 has the ball.

Let the debate continue! Time for me to get some sleep before my game this afternoon.