Simultaneous Foul... or not??

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by shavano

GJV last night:

White 14 is fouled by Red 5 while attempting a 3, which was unsuccessful.

when whistles blew the ball was loose on ground.

The ball being loose on the ground indicates that the shot attempt had already ended unsuccessfully, thus making the ball dead. The foul on the shooter had to be the cause of the ball being loose on the floor rather than in the air on its way towards the basket. Therefore, it had to happen prior to the ball being on the floor. The off ball foul wasn't called until the ball was on the floor. That would have to be a dead ball foul. I would have ignored the off ball foul, unless it was intentional or flagrant, and award the 3 shots. If the off ball foul was intentional or flagrant, it would be a technical foul and both fouls would have been penalized.