Fighting - again

[tjones1]

Tried to look back as I know I posted something similar, but I didn't have any luck.

Situation:

A1, A2, A3, B1, and B2 are players and start fighting.

A4 and A5 leave the bench. A5 participates in the fight.

B3, B4, and B5 leave the bench. None of them participate.

Penalty:

All are ejected.

Players are all direct T's (no indirect to coaches):

• A1 and B1 cancel
• A2 and B2 cancel
• A3 (2 free throws)

Bench who fight:

• A5 (2 free throws) - 1 indirect to Coach A

Bench who do not fight:

• A4 - 1 indirect to Coach A
• B3, B4, B5 (2 free throws) - 1 indirect to Coach B

In summary:
a) A3 - 2 free throws
b) A5 - 2 free throws
c) B3, B4, B5 - 2 free throws

Cancel a) & c). Team B will shoot 2 free throws.

Coach A is charged with 2 indirect and Coach B is charged with 1 indirect.

[bob jenkins]

I believe that to be correct (with the minor quibble that A4 and A5 get switched between the description and the penalties)

[tjones1]

Thanks, Bob.

Good catch, that's been corrected for reference.

[Sco53]

and team B gets the ball at the division line when the mess is cleaned up

[BryanV21]

Maybe I'm just confused, but something doesn't make sense...

You don't award any free throws for A4 leaving the bench ("A4 - 1 indirect to Coach A"), but you do award free throws for B3, B4, and B5 leaving the bench ("B3, B4, B5 (2 free throws) - 1 indirect to Coach B").

You noted earlier that none of those players above participated in the fight. So why are they (or their coaches) penalized differently? I can't find a difference in them.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Maybe I'm just confused, but something doesn't make sense...

You don't award any free throws for A4 leaving the bench ("A4 - 1 indirect to Coach A"), but you do award free throws for B3, B4, and B5 leaving the bench ("B3, B4, B5 (2 free throws) - 1 indirect to Coach B").

You noted earlier that none of those players above participated in the fight. So why are they (or their coaches) penalized differently? I can't find a difference in them.

For bench who leave but DO NOT participate: It's 1 indirect to the coach, no matter how many are involved. If the numbers from each team are the same, they offset (no FTs). If the numbers are not equal, it's 2 FTs TOTAL for the team that has fewer.

For bench who leave AND PARTICIPATE: 1 indirect to the coach for EACH and 1 "set of FTs" for EACH, after the offset.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

For bench who leave but DO NOT participate: It's 1 indirect to the coach, no matter how many are involved. If the numbers from each team are the same, they offset (no FTs). If the numbers are not equal, it's 2 FTs TOTAL for the team that has fewer.

For bench who leave AND PARTICIPATE: 1 indirect to the coach for EACH and 1 "set of FTs" for EACH, after the offset.

Okay! I wasn't aware of the part about a different number of players.

[refiator]

Sometimes it's tough, but anything you can do to to ensure that free throws are all offset makes life easier.