So about those new rules ... are they working?

[Indianaref]

I like the "emphasis" on the old rule of freedom of motion. Don't like the new rule on LGP on the gather.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Indianaref

I like the "emphasis" on the old rule of freedom of motion. Don't like the new rule on LGP on the gather.

Me too

[Remington]

Originally Posted by Adam

Me too

I really like the freedom of movement being put back into the game. Our teams have adjusted very well and the coaches have adjusted very well in my neck of the woods.

On the new b/c determination, I find this more difficult to officiate as your field of vision needs to be even wider on the plays as the lead official. If you think about it, it needs to expand by about 6 feet which is a lot when trying to position yourself to see through the bodies. We have been instructed to find the plant foot and determine if the defender has established LGP and not made any illegal movement from that point once the plant foot has been planted. I've worked about 10 men's games this year and it is getting easier, but I am spending even more time on synergy (our NAIA and NCAAD2 leagues use this service) to watch these plays to see if my positioning and judgment were correct. I'd absolutely love any tips that others are using to ensure you are getting these plays correct.

[Sharpshooternes]

There is plenty about it I don't like. But some I do like. I like the fact the defense is supposed to have to move their feet and play real defense with out running their hands al over the ball handler, however the way it is called now, even if a defender stays in front and don't use their hands, if here're is a call it is always a block, or a block or a block. I think in the last 5 or so games I watched, I think I have only seen one charge and it wasn't on a shot and the defender was just standing there for like half a century without moving.

Now the D is playing better and I think the rules got them to do what the league wants but now they can't buy a charge call. I think the pendulum has swung drastically to the other side. Eventually we will get to a happy medium but something will have to change for that to happen.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

There is plenty about it I don't like. But some I do like. I like the fact the defense is supposed to have to move their feet and play real defense with out running their hands al over the ball handler, however the way it is called now, even if a defender stays in front and don't use their hands, if here're is a call it is always a block, or a block or a block. I think in the last 5 or so games I watched, I think I have only seen one charge and it wasn't on a shot and the defender was just standing there for like half a century without moving.
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In every college pre-game I've had, I've made it a point to say that it is still possible for the defense to draw a charge on plays to the basket. In scrimmages I worked, too many officials were defaulting to blocks on anything around the basket.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

In every college pre-game I've had, I've made it a point to say that it is still possible for the defense to draw a charge on plays to the basket. In scrimmages I worked, too many officials were defaulting to blocks on anything around the basket.

Yeah, what you said. If there is any doubt I feel the officials are just defaulting to a block. The fact that you have to bring up that it IS possible for a player to take a charge I think is evidence that everyone is going to default to a block.

[brainbrian]

I enjoy the new rules and the coaches and players I've worked seem to have bought into them by now and understand them. I'm not saying we don't have a bunch of fouls, but the coaches and players at least understand they are fouls now.

[JRutledge]

I can only think of one or two times where a coach has even complained about a foul call at the HS level. I have yet to work a college game and this Saturday will be the first college game outside of scrimmages. Something tells me that it will not be much different than the other experiences I have had so far this year. And I think D1 college basketball has filtered down to everyone and their attitudes about what is or should be called as a foul.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I can only think of one or two times where a coach has even complained about a foul call at the HS level. I have yet to work a college game and this Saturday will be the first college game outside of scrimmages. Something tells me that it will not be much different than the other experiences I have had so far this year. And I think D1 college basketball has filtered down to everyone and their attitudes about what is or should be called as a foul.

Peace

Saturday I did my 6th college game. It was the first time I had a coaching staff act like they didn't see the 2013-14 NCAA-Men's clinic. They complained in the latter half of the 1st half after one of my partner's handchecking calls, when were already in the double bonus for both teams. They tried to tell me what contact was allowed on a dribbler. They ended up shooting 52 free throws themselves, and pulling away in the 2nd half for a 20 point win. The losing coach never said one word to the crew about any of our calls.

[Remington]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

I think in the last 5 or so games I watched, I think I have only seen one charge and it wasn't on a shot and the defender was just standing there for like half a century without moving.

In one of our conference meetings they said they evaluated the b/c plays and if the officials were to just default to a block call on each play they would be correct about 80% of the time. As they judged it, the officials were only correct about 60% of the time on the plays being evaluated. I have talked with many veteran officials who have decided they are calling blocks on everything that isn't like the play you mentioned in the quote above..... I personally am trying to get each play correct, but when watching tape I find that most of the charges I have called in the paint have likely been blocks per the new quideline....

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

There is plenty about it I don't like. But some I do like. I like the fact the defense is supposed to have to move their feet and play real defense with out running their hands al over the ball handler, however the way it is called now, even if a defender stays in front and don't use their hands, if here're is a call it is always a block, or a block or a block. I think in the last 5 or so games I watched, I think I have only seen one charge and it wasn't on a shot and the defender was just standing there for like half a century without moving.

Now the D is playing better and I think the rules got them to do what the league wants but now they can't buy a charge call. I think the pendulum has swung drastically to the other side. Eventually we will get to a happy medium but something will have to change for that to happen.

Just received an e-mail about this from my NCAAW assignor. He said we’re doing a good job getting contact *on* the ball handler but coaches were upset because we weren’t getting contact *by* the ball handler. I think it’s a case of you put something in someone’s mind – i.e., the guidelines – and that’s where they’ll focus.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

Just received an e-mail about this from my NCAAW assignor. He said we’re doing a good job getting contact *on* the ball handler but coaches were upset because we weren’t getting contact *by* the ball handler. I think it’s a case of you put something in someone’s mind – i.e., the guidelines – and that’s where they’ll focus.

That is probably a fair complaint too. If we're going to tag defenders with fouls for use of their hands, we shouldn't let the offense get away with pushoffs either as is so often done.

[Toren]

Considering this is my first year of (juco) college ball, I don't have much to compare it to.

I love the emphasis on freedom of movement. I'm generally seeing 3 stages to all of my games.

1st stage: they hand check, we call it.
2nd stage: they don't hand check, we don't call it.
3rd stage: they get tired and hand check, we call it.

In almost all of my games, it's been those 3 stages.

As for the block/charge, I don't see too much a difference quite honestly. I've only had 1 charge on a secondary defender in about 10 college games so far this year. I've had numerous on primary defenders.

I've had quite a few charges in high school on secondary and primary.