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Old Mon Dec 09, 2013, 03:18pm
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Er, the mechanics manual might help.

Starting a Period:
1. The throw-in to start the second, thrid, and fourth quarters and any extra period shall be administered by the Referee at the division line opposite the table.
2. Indicate color and direction, designate the throw-in spot, sound the whistle to alert players that play is about to begin, place the ball at the thrower's disposal.
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Old Mon Dec 09, 2013, 03:34pm
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I too have had several teams try this, mostly AAU stuff. The team that tries it always ended up losing the game, usually pretty bad. It just tells me they trying to pull every trick in the book and the coach always has a behavior problem.
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Old Mon Dec 09, 2013, 05:22pm
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I too have had several teams try this, mostly AAU stuff. The team that tries it always ended up losing the game, usually pretty bad. It just tells me they trying to pull every trick in the book and the coach always has a behavior problem.
Why is this a behavior problem? It's just strategy and preparing your players to understand game situations.
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Old Mon Dec 09, 2013, 05:30pm
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Why is this a behavior problem? It's just strategy and preparing your players to understand game situations.
He's not calling *this* a behavior problem. It is, however, highly correlated with coaches who do have behavior problems.

Note, those behavior problems are shared between the coaches and their players, most of the time.
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...sound the whistle to alert players that play is about to begin...
...there it is...
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Old Tue Dec 10, 2013, 12:43am
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If the players are lined up in the "wrong" direction where does the lead official go? Does he go stand under the "wrong" basket?
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Old Tue Dec 10, 2013, 02:42am
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If the players are lined up in the "wrong" direction where does the lead official go? Does he go stand under the "wrong" basket?
I think you have answered your own question. That would make him the trail wouldn't it?
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Old Tue Dec 10, 2013, 09:18am
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I think you have answered your own question. That would make him the trail wouldn't it?
What good is the Lead doing at the other end of the court looking at an empty lane?
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Old Tue Dec 10, 2013, 10:49am
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What good is the Lead doing at the other end of the court looking at an empty lane?
Where's the action going to be?
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Perhaps I should have put a sarcastic grin after my comment. But I liked anyway what Whistles and Stripes mentioned about the other official cheating up towards the division line.
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Old Tue Dec 10, 2013, 11:09am
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Where's the action going to be?
If they line up in the paint in the BC, and B2 realizes what's happening and decides to grab A2's jersey, then action is in the BC; and nobody will see it.

When teams are pressing we don't wait for them down at the frontcourt endline, why would we officiate an 42' of empty court just because the throw-in is from the division line?
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Old Tue Dec 10, 2013, 02:46am
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If the players are lined up in the "wrong" direction where does the lead official go? Does he go stand under the "wrong" basket?
No.

3 man mechanics, I'd line up on the end line in the direction where the team with the ball will be going. The center official on the opposite side of the table can cheat toward the division line if needed to assure proper coverage on any activity that occurs in the backcourt.

2 man mechanics, if I'm lead and the offensive team is sending all their players to the backcourt for a trick play like this, I'm likely lining up opposite side from my partner and at a minimum, cheating up near the division line if I don't have any.competitive matchups to referee in the frontcourt. Actual location will depend on where the players are located.
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Old Tue Dec 10, 2013, 09:02am
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3 man mechanics, I'd line up on the end line in the direction where the team with the ball will be going. The center official on the opposite side of the table can cheat toward the division line if needed to assure proper coverage on any activity that occurs in the backcourt.

2 man mechanics, if I'm lead and the offensive team is sending all their players to the backcourt for a trick play like this, I'm likely lining up opposite side from my partner and at a minimum, cheating up near the division line if I don't have any.competitive matchups to referee in the frontcourt. Actual location will depend on where the players are located.
2 man: I'm not sure there's really a need. The point of this play is not to make the throw in to the BC; it's to get a wide open play in the FC. If the defense bites, then you'll have a wide open layup with a fast-trailing defender in the lead's primary. Best to stay put, IMO. If the defense doesn't bite, the offense will be wide open in the BC anyway.

3 man: Maybe keep the center a bit high, but no need to dive into the BC (I know that's not what you said).

The only thing that might happen would be extra-curricular, but the T can easily handle that from the division line.
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Starting a Period:
1. The throw-in to start the second, thrid, and fourth quarters and any extra period shall be administered by the Referee at the division line opposite the table.
2. Indicate color and direction, designate the throw-in spot, sound the whistle to alert players that play is about to begin, place the ball at the thrower's disposal.
....."each extra period shall be started with a jump ball in the center restraining circle."
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