Belmont-UNC: Block/Push/No-call (video)

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

I don't blame the officials at all for eating their whistles on the play.

The Belmont player never got legal guarding position, while the player for UNC didn't extend his arms or commit any act like he was pushing. I know the contact was a bit much, but contact alone does not mean there was a foul. If it wasn't for the fact that the defender was a little off balance I bet he doesn't fall, and nobody questions the no-call. But people see a player fall and think there must be a foul somewhere.

Most of the time when there is a "crash" like this, there is a penalty somewhere. But this looks like one of those cases where there isn't.

LGP is not the issue. He set a screen and was moving in the same direction of the opponent and got run over. LGP applies to the player with the ball, not an off ball player.

Peace

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by jrutledge

lgp is not the issue. He set a screen and was moving in the same direction of the opponent and got run over. Lgp applies to the player with the ball, not an off ball player.

Peace

doh!

[Adam]

Even if LGP is required, he certainly does have it.

Two feet down, facing his opponent. Moving backwards and laterally the whole time, thus never losing LGP.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by Adam

Even if LGP is required, he certainly does have it.

Two feet down, facing his opponent. Moving backwards and laterally the whole time, thus never losing LGP.

I'm not sure that's how I see it, but if I were an observer I wouldn't make a big deal about it either way.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

I'm not sure that's how I see it, but if I were an observer I wouldn't make a big deal about it either way.

Curiously, which part do you think he's missing?

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by Adam

Curiously, which part do you think he's missing?

The defender seems to slow down in order to draw the push. If the defender was moving backward and laterally correctly, the offensive player wouldn't have hit him hard enough to knock him over.

Like I originally said, the offensive player doesn't lower his shoulder, extend his arms, or lean forward into the defender.

So I'm not sure who to blame for the contact, thus making me okay with the non-call.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

The defender seems to slow down in order to draw the push. If the defender was moving backward and laterally correctly, the offensive player wouldn't have hit him hard enough to knock him over.

Like I originally said, the offensive player doesn't lower his shoulder, extend his arms, or lean forward into the defender.

So I'm not sure who to blame for the contact, thus making me okay with the non-call.

Sorry, I was wondering how he lost LGP, or never gained it. Which requirement was missing?

As for him moving backwards, he's not required to maintain any speed. He can stop at any moment and if he gets knocked down, it's on the opponent.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

The defender seems to slow down in order to draw the push. If the defender was moving backward and laterally correctly, the offensive player wouldn't have hit him hard enough to knock him over.

Like I originally said, the offensive player doesn't lower his shoulder, extend his arms, or lean forward into the defender.

So I'm not sure who to blame for the contact, thus making me okay with the non-call.

I have a feeling you're going to be pretty alone on this one. This has to be a foul of some sort, especially under the new guidelines. There was enough contact there for a foul on UNC.

[Rob1968]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

The defender seems to slow down in order to draw the push. [I]If the defender was moving backward and laterally correctly,[/I] the offensive player wouldn't have hit him hard enough to knock him over.

Like I originally said, the offensive player doesn't lower his shoulder, extend his arms, or lean forward into the defender.

So I'm not sure who to blame for the contact, thus making me okay with the non-call.

This may be difficult to codify . . .

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

The defender seems to slow down in order to draw the push. If the defender was moving backward and laterally correctly, the offensive player wouldn't have hit him hard enough to knock him over.

Like I originally said, the offensive player doesn't lower his shoulder, extend his arms, or lean forward into the defender.

So I'm not sure who to blame for the contact, thus making me okay with the non-call.

As I said again, screening rules apply. It is always the responsible of the person that is being screened when the screener is moving in the same direction of the person being screened. So you cannot call a foul by rule on a retreating player that basically is setting a screen. And that player setting a screen never stopped or moved towards the opponent to cause contact. So time and distance really do not apply here.

Peace

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

The defender seems to slow down in order to draw the push. If the defender was moving backward and laterally correctly, the offensive player wouldn't have hit him hard enough to knock him over.

Like I originally said, the offensive player doesn't lower his shoulder, extend his arms, or lean forward into the defender.

So I'm not sure who to blame for the contact, thus making me okay with the non-call.

Every player is entitled to their spot on the floor, provided he/she got there legally. There is no required speed that a player has to be moving backwards or laterally. So to say that you are not sure who to blame for this contact is to ignore a basic principle of basketball officiating.

And as far as the screening comments made earlier, Camron is correct. This is not a screening situation, it is a guarding situation. Offensive players do not get to run over legal defenders.

[j51969]

Watching this in real time I can see this call going either way. When the play is slowed down: Seems as if the defensive player was anticipating the contact and started to fall prior to.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

LGP applies to the player with the ball, not an off ball player.

Peace

Really, that is new to me and probably ever other official here.