What is the call?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BigT

Had a play in a championship (7th grade) national tournament in SLC.

5 point game with 15 seconds left and the home team is up by 5. The ball is coming into play on the end line. H5 is moving in the key to get open. V5 push him out of his route twice then two hands off balance and he falls to the floor with the physicality. I am lead doing my count watching the contact and the ball has not been released as V1 watches his center crash in the key.

Is this a dead ball technical or an intentional foul. Thanks in advance,

Do you believe the ball was dead or live?

[BigT]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Do you believe the ball was dead or live?

I believe it was live. I believe it is just an intentional foul. Want to make sure as I have never made this call before.

[JRutledge]

Well if all this took place during the live ball, it cannot be a technical. It could be an intentional if you feel it fit the definition, but hard to tell by your description.

This is why we get paid the big bucks, not make the hard decisions.

Peace

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BigT

I believe it was live. I believe it is just an intentional foul. Want to make sure as I have never made this call before.

As far as I can tell, it's just a common foul.

If the ball was dead then the contact would be ignored unless it was I or F, so if you wanted to have a foul, it would have to be an IT or an FT.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

As far as I can tell, it's just a common foul.

Agree. I just don't see anything in the description that suggests otherwise.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BigT

I believe it was live. I believe it is just an intentional foul. Want to make sure as I have never made this call before.

Just helping you think through the process.

After a made basket we begin a count when the ball is at the disposal of the thrower-in.

After a stoppage in play (violation/foul/intermission/time-out/inadvertent whistle) we hand/bounce the ball to the thrower-in at which point the ball is immediately considered at the disposal of the thrower-in.

At what point is the ball considered live during a throw-in?

[OKREF]

Intentional

[Adam]

In the normal course of the game, this is quite possibly just a common defensive personal foul. In this situation, I'm pretty likely to get the first push on V5 to stop the situation from escalating. If it's clear they're just trying to foul to keep the clock from starting, you might want to consider an intentional personal foul on V5.

I'd have to see it to know for sure on that aspect, but either way, it's clearly a personal foul because you had started your 5 second count.

[BigBaldGuy]

Originally Posted by Adam

In the normal course of the game, this is quite possibly just a common defensive personal foul. In this situation, I'm pretty likely to get the first push on V5 to stop the situation from escalating. If it's clear they're just trying to foul to keep the clock from starting, you might want to consider an intentional personal foul on V5.

I'd have to see it to know for sure on that aspect, but either way, it's clearly a personal foul because you had started your 5 second count.

This is a great point...you know they are going to foul and have to foul...get the first foul or in this case the first two fouls before the intentional has to be called.