NFHS June 6, 2013 Release ...

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The offense can choose to get it immediately or to get into a position to either defend if they can......

Getting it immediately gives the offense the opportunity to get all players back to defend. I've never seen a player ignore a chance to touch the ball to hurry back to a defensive position instead.

.......or perhaps let the opponent touch it first then try to get it.

Not gonna say it never happens, but this is a really bad idea.

I think the signal should NOT be immediate but only upon someone touching it if it wasn't obvious.

In my experience this is the way the signal is used, and probably will continue to be.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Getting it immediately gives the offense the opportunity to get all players back to defend. I've never seen a player ignore a chance to touch the ball to hurry back to a defensive position instead.

I have. I've seen players hover over the ball as it rolled towards the backcourt endline. Only when a defender approached did they grab it. They thought they had touched it last and expected a violation but I'm guessing they wanted to let the clock run just a bit longer. If I were to indicate tip, that would be a signal to them that it was safe to pick up the ball. Is that really fair? Shouldn't they have to play based on what they see and hear instead of looking to us for information?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I've seen players hover over the ball as it rolled towards the backcourt endline.

Me too, in little kid's games. They know that it's wrong to touch the ball first, so they hover, waiting for an opportunity to scoop up the ball after it's been touched by an opponent. I've seen this dozens of times, as a young player, a middle school coach, and an official, and I've never, ever, seen it work.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I've never, ever, seen it work.

Me neither.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

...and I've never, ever, seen it work.

Originally Posted by grunewar

Me neither.

I've seen it in HS varsity. And to the point of letting the clock run, I've seen it work. Why not get 3-4 more seconds off the clock with a 4 point lead with 30 seconds to go. But if they knew they could pick it up, they would. I don't like that advantage.

[Raymond]

A visible count also gives information, so what's the big deal?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

A visible count also gives information, so what's the big deal?

Do you tell them what the count is or yell pass it when you get to 4?

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Why not get 3-4 more seconds off the clock with a 4 point lead with 30 seconds to go.

IMO - under the pressure of a game situation, I don't think a lot of players are that "basketball smart."

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I've seen it in HS varsity. And to the point of letting the clock run, I've seen it work. Why not get 3-4 more seconds off the clock with a 4 point lead with 30 seconds to go. But if they knew they could pick it up, whey would. I don't like that advantage.

I've seen it too. Either this past season or in '11-12 I had a BV player ask me whether he could touch the ball as he was running into the backcourt. The kid let it keep rolling since I didn't answer him...and let the defender pick up the ball. After his coach yelled at him he said "but the ref didn't tell me whether I could pick it up!" Happily, his coach told him he should have picked it up regardless.

[amusedofficial]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Shouldn't they have to play based on what they see and hear instead of looking to us for information?

Bingo.