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[Adam]

Originally Posted by potato

this is the reason i posted the scenario since it's not as clear cut as normal end dribble.

i believe FIBA & NBA both mention the rule that there is no limit on how many steps taken per dribble and dribble ends when the ball "REST" on hand.

i'm not an official so by looking at the 2 clauses i see it as the ball comes to rest only when the player holds the ball with both hands in this case i.e step no.2 (where he established pivot foot) even though he took a step while ball on hand before holding it, but if that is the case won't it be possible to take few more steps if he wasn't being called for palming?

i understand there is a black & white written rule and then there is this "rule of thumb" standard practice for officials. and i believe more than 2 steps after a dribble is considered a travel as a rule of thumb as someone posted before?

i also understand the rule book is not perfect and doesn't cover many grey areas especially when it comes down to modern play style.

from rule of thumb i would say the player established pivot while he gathers in the step no.1 (which makes 360spin move illegal) but from the written book i say he established pivot only when he held the ball (but this will allow exploits for multiple steps before holding the ball), so i just want to know how you officials would call the 2 scenarios. that is all.

I have no idea how to interpret your pictures.

Two hands is not required to consider the dribble ended. Players end the dribble with one hand all the time. Once we consider the player to be holding the ball, the dribble is ended and the pivot foot will be determined accordingly.

It would typically be at the same point where we would consider another dribble to be an illegal dribble, which could also often be called a "carry" (not "palming.")

It's a judgment call sometimes determining when the dribble is ended.