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[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

Check the crew's movement on play #3. That's a 3-person rotation if I ever saw one. Given the camera angle the T may be deep but I'd be surprised if it wasn't a 3-person crew.

Additionally, if this is a playoff game all those I've seen on the DVBOA YouTube feed have been 3-person.

I don't know for sure, so I'll wait for the poster of the video to answer and clarify for us.
The final play looked like a C moving down to me as well, but it could just be the T working low. Also early round playoff games are still 2-man.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

it could just be the T working low.

I hope not because that's way too low, especially for a play that wasn't in his PCA where he needed to be watching off the ball.

[SCalScoreKeeper]

Hello all,
In the Great State of California all 1'st and 2'nd round sectional playoff games are handled with two person crews.Sectional quarterfinals and all subsequent rounds of the state tournament are handled in three person.Regular season assignments are also in two person except for select tournament finals.

oh and on the plays:
1.Charge
2.Play on
3.Charge

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper

Hello all,
In the Great State of California all 1'st and 2'nd round sectional playoff games are handled with two person crews.Sectional quarterfinals and all subsequent rounds of the state tournament are handled in three person.Regular season assignments are also in two person except for select tournament finals.

oh and on the plays:
1.Charge
2.Play on
3.Charge

Please understand that what you have written is only accurate for Southern California. In the Northern half of the state section quarterfinals are done with two-person crews. 3-man is only used for semis and finals.

[dvboa]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I don't know for sure, so I'll wait for the poster of the video to answer and clarify for us.
The final play looked like a C moving down to me as well, but it could just be the T working low. Also early round playoff games are still 2-man.

Ok boys and girls, this is was a preseason tournament championship game and we were working 3 person. During the regular season here in California we work 2 person. It isn't until the quarterfinals of the section playoffs that we go to 3 person. Hope that clears things up.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by dvboa

Ok boys and girls, this is was a preseason tournament championship game and we were working 3 person. During the regular season here in California we work 2 person. It isn't until the quarterfinals of the section playoffs that we go to 3 person. Hope that clears things up.

Thanks for providing confirmation of the system being used in this particular contest. Consider yourselves fortunate to have one more round of 3-person crews than in the north.

Now knowing this, I'll make one further comment on the first play in the video. There simply must be a whistle on this play from the C. (Doesn't matter if he calls a block or a charge, but make a call!). To not have one at all hurts our cause in officiating as it makes the coaches and administrators ask why they should bother to have 3-person crews. A 2-person crew could have no-called this just as well in the minds of those counting the beans.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Thanks for providing confirmation of the system being used in this particular contest. Consider yourselves fortunate to have one more round of 3-person crews than in the north.

Now knowing this, I'll make one further comment on the first play in the video. There simply must be a whistle on this play from the C. (Doesn't matter if he calls a block or a charge, but make a call!). To not have one at all hurts our cause in officiating as it makes the coaches and administrators ask why they should bother to have 3-person crews. A 2-person crew could have no-called this just as well in the minds of those counting the beans.

For crews who work two or three 3-man games per year, I'll cut them some slack.

[SCalScoreKeeper]

Nevadaref,
Thanks for correcting me.I didn't realize that the northern part of the state followed a different procedure for playoff games then those of us down south.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper

Nevadaref,
Thanks for correcting me.I didn't realize that the northern part of the state followed a different procedure for playoff games then those of us down south.

It's not that much different, but the sections are generally smaller up North, thus 16 teams brackets are seen in each division during sectional playoffs whereas you will start with 32, especially in the SS. Smaller sections obviously have even fewer postseason qualifiers.
My experience has been that for 16 team brackets, the first two rounds use two-person crews and the last two rounds use three. Yep, those quarterfinal D1 boys games can be tough with only two officials.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Adam

For crews who work two or three 3-man games per year, I'll cut them some slack.

Actually, that is one of the biggest complaints from both sides. The coaches and admin folks say that too much isn't done properly because of the officials lack of experience with the 3-person system and the officials also say that they don't get enough reps in the system because it isn't used during the regular season.

The bottom line is that using that excuse will only cause the decision makers to drop 3-person entirely. So no one can ask for slack, if we desire to demonstrate that 3-person is the way to go.

[JetMetFan]

Here's where I can't give the "they don't do 3-person that often" slack with the no-call on play #1: regardless of whether it was 2-person or 3-person, that contact was in the PCA of the official closest to the camera. It was on the border for 2-person but most definitely for 3-person.

If there was "2-person on the brain" in this play then I would've expected the Center AND the Lead to make a call instead of no one.