Block Charge Videos

[Nevadaref]

We have seen this video before.
1. Charge, the defender obtains LGP prior to the opponent's second foot leaving the floor. However, he is not in LGP prior to the start of the offensive player's upward movement, so this is a call which will change under the new NCAA rule. Will be intriguing to see how this philosophy/rule change filters down into the HS game.

2. Slight contact as the offensive player moves sideways past the defender. From this angle there seems to be lots of acting by the defender. So either a no call or a block is appropriate, depending upon how people in your area want such called.

3. Clearly a charge, so obvious that it's not even worthy of discussion.

[dvboa]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

We have seen this video before.

Sorry if there are repeats as I am new to this forum and am not familiar with the videos you've see or have not seen.

Apologies for future posts that apply.

[APG]

Originally Posted by dvboa

Sorry if there are repeats as I am new to this forum and am not familiar with the videos you've see or have not seen.

Apologies for future posts that apply.

No worries

[HokiePaul]

1) Block. In real time, looks like a charge, but in slow motion, I think the offensive player was airborn when the defender got set and so the defender never obtained legal guarding position. It's also not the worst no-call I've seen.

2) no-call.

3) Charge.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

when the defender got set

You may wish to take this phrase and never use it again.

[HokiePaul]

Originally Posted by Rich

You may wish to take this phrase and never use it again.

hmm ... I wasn't sure how to phrase this. I didn't want to say "when the defender obtained legal guarding position" because in my opinion, they never did. So the defender was never set/established in a legal position.

any suggestions for better terminology?

[Rob1968]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

hmm ... I wasn't sure how to phrase this. I didn't want to say "when the defender obtained legal guarding position" because in my opinion, they never did. So the defender was never set/established in a legal position.

any suggestions for better terminology?

Many years ago, (I can't remember the specific year), the word "establish", in 4-23-2,3,4,5 was changed to "obtain" because the NF Committee thought that "establish" denoted a process that took some amount of time. They wanted the mind-set of officials and others concerned, to be more focused on the moment of any contact rather than some process that was developing.

In block/charge situations, many officials, players and coaches still struggle with the concept. I once won a bet with two mouthy opponents who kept using the "set/he wasn't set" phrase, by telling them that the word "set" couldn't be found in the Rule Book.

[dvboa]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

hmm ... I wasn't sure how to phrase this. I didn't want to say "when the defender obtained legal guarding position" because in my opinion, they never did. So the defender was never set/established in a legal position.

any suggestions for better terminology?

We always ask our officials "Did the player go TO the defense or THROUGH the defense?"

I think if you apply this thinking then the sequence becomes easy.

1. pc - through
2. nc - to
3. pc - through

Hope this helps...

[Adam]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

1) Block. In real time, looks like a charge, but in slow motion, I think the offensive player was airborn when the defender got set and so the defender never obtained legal guarding position. It's also not the worst no-call I've seen.

Rich alludes to it above, but there is no requirement for a defender to ever be set. Ever. LGP does not require "getting set."

[HokiePaul]

Originally Posted by Adam

Rich alludes to it above, but there is no requirement for a defender to ever be set. Ever. LGP does not require "getting set."

Understand that, but as I mention above, in my opinion (its close), the defender never got legal guarding position. I didn't want to say "before the defender got legal guarding position" because the defender never did. I guess "defender getting set" was short for "defender getting two feet down and torso facing the opponent"

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

Understand that, but as I mention above, in my opinion (its close), the defender never got legal guarding position. I didn't want to say "before the defender got legal guarding position" because the defender never did. I guess "defender getting set" was short for "defender getting two feet down and torso facing the opponent"

People where I am use the term "established" to convey this while avoiding sending an incorrect message.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by dvboa

Sorry if there are repeats as I am new to this forum and am not familiar with the videos you've see or have not seen.

Apologies for future posts that apply.

Originally Posted by APG

No worries

Agreed, not that big a deal. There are inevitably going to be some who weren't around for the first round.

[OKREF]

1. Charge

2. Play on

3. Charge

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by dvboa

Sorry if there are repeats as I am new to this forum and am not familiar with the videos you've see or have not seen.

Apologies for future posts that apply.

Not a problem. Welcome to the forum. Just know that we will continue to make fun of officials from SoCal.

[Toren]

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