[Video Request] Backcourt off of halfcourt pass/shot?

[Toren]

In the original play, the player jumps in his backcourt. He attempts a pass to the player in the corner, the ball gets deflected by the defender. There is never player control in the front court, the ball bounces back into the backcourt where the kid makes a tremendous 3 point shot.

Count the basket with great enthusiasm and walk off to court knowing you did a job well done.

If my partner blows his whistle on this for a backcourt, we're going POI, which is the ball in mid air, we're still counting that basket.

Edit: I guess this wasn't the original play, this was the last second shot.

Another Edit: This was the original play that was requested

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Toren

In the original play, the player jumps in his backcourt. He attempts a pass to the player in the corner, the ball gets deflected by the defender. There is never player control in the front court, the ball bounces back into the backcourt where the kid makes a tremendous 3 point shot.

Count the basket with great enthusiasm and walk off to court knowing you did a job well done.

If my partner blows his whistle on this for a backcourt, we're going POI, which is the ball in mid air, we're still counting that basket.

And this is the problem with the team control change and the half-hearted attempts by the rule committee to keep the BC rule the same. They explicitly stated they want everything called the same as before, except for whether free throws are shot. Yet this particular change leads to rulings like Toren notes here, which are incorrect by the intent of the committee, but correct by a literal reading of the rule.

Note: This post assumes the original throw is not ruled a try.

Are you talking about the first video, where the official called a BC on a last second shot, or the video where there was a foul on the last second shot?

[Toren]

Originally Posted by Adam

And this is the problem with the team control change and the half-hearted attempts by the rule committee to keep the BC rule the same. They explicitly stated they want everything called the same as before, except for whether free throws are shot. Yet this particular change leads to rulings like Toren notes here, which are incorrect by the intent of the committee, but correct by a literal reading of the rule.

Note: This post assumes the original throw is not ruled a try.

Are you talking about the first video, where the official called a BC on a last second shot, or the video where there was a foul on the last second shot?

The last second made basket that was waived off by a backcourt violation

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Toren

The last second made basket that was waived off by a backcourt violation

In that case, I'm removing my strike line. If that's a pass, that's a BC violation.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Adam

In that case, I'm removing my strike line. If that's a pass, that's a BC violation.

Actually, this would be a violation because of 9-9-2, causing "the ball to go from backcourt to the frontcourt and return to the backcourt without the ball touching a player in the frontcourt, such that he/she or a teammate is the first to touch it in the backcourt."

Had an offensive player tipped it in the FC on its way back, it would have been a violation under the old rules, and thus by intent of the committee; it would not, however, be a violation under a literal reading of 9-9-1.

[Toren]

Originally Posted by Adam

Actually, this would be a violation because of 9-9-2, causing "the ball to go from backcourt to the frontcourt and return to the backcourt without the ball touching a player in the frontcourt, such that he/she or a teammate is the first to touch it in the backcourt."

Had an offensive player tipped it in the FC on its way back, it would have been a violation under the old rules, and thus by intent of the committee; it would not, however, be a violation under a literal reading of 9-9-1.

I have a tipped ball in the front court by the defender. The pass is being thrown to the player in the corner and gets deflected by the defender.

So I have team control maintained throughout, no player control in the front court by the offense. And I have the defender causing the ball to go into the back court.

So I have a legal play, score the basket.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Toren

I have a tipped ball in the front court by the defender. The pass is being thrown to the player in the corner and gets deflected by the defender.

So I have team control maintained throughout, no player control in the front court by the offense. And I have the defender causing the ball to go into the back court.

So I have a legal play, score the basket.

I don't see any tip by a defender in the FC. There may have been a tip at the point of the pass, though, and that would make the play legal.

Whether there is player control in the FC, however, is not relevant.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Toren

I have a tipped ball in the front court by the defender. The pass is being thrown to the player in the corner and gets deflected by the defender.

So I have team control maintained throughout, no player control in the front court by the offense. And I have the defender causing the ball to go into the back court.

So I have a legal play, score the basket.

TC is required. Not TC contol in the front court. Your reasoning for it not being a BC violation is not valid.